Interesting bubble hand

[wiggs73]

We're 4 handed, on the button. Hero has t2800, SB has t2400, BB has t3000, UTG has t1800. Blinds are 100-200. UTG folds.

Hero has Ac8c and raises to t600, SB calls. SB generally is loose and not a very good player. BB folds. The flop comes AdKhQd. The small blind, who has made a number of small flop bets to this point, leads for t300. What's your play?

Note: I didn't actually play this hand. I'll post a link to where I found it after some discussion.

[scal78]

Has he been making $300 bets into $1400 pots often? When he does this, is he betting on a middle pair?

If it were me, and I had top pair or better, I'm making a stronger bet than $300. That seems like weakness, unless of course, he's just a bad player without much betting concept.

All things being equal. I'm raising here to about 900. If he calls, then I'll re-evaluate depending on the turn.

[durron597]

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The small blind, who has made a number of small flop bets to this point

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What did he show down?

This is a WAWB situation, I want to extract the most value when we're ahead and lose the least when behind; I think I play this hand pretty passively - I think the right thing to do is just call the flop.

[tigerite]

My play is to push preflop..

[durron597]

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All things being equal. I'm raising here to about 900. If he calls, then I'll re-evaluate depending on the turn.

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OMG this is terrible. What is that raise going to accomplish? It's 600 more to win 2600.

Raises that aren't pushes are not an option. But I don't really see a point in pushing unless you think he will call both preflop and on this flop with A3.

[durron597]

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My play is to push preflop..

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The stacks are much too deep for that, you're only going to be called by hands that dominate you to win a very small number of chips...

[wiggs73]

We think he would make this bet with a pretty wide range... any pair or better, any flush draw, and sometimes (but not as often) a gutshot draw or a bluff.

[Raiser]

I like a call here to see if his flop bet was serious or not. As Durron points out, if you raise you have to push and I don't want to commit all my chips to this hand.

[schwza]

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This is a WAWB situation

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i disagree. often when villain is behind he'll have something QJ or Td8d, or one of many other hands with a lot of outs.

and what are we way behind to? really only AQ/AK/sets. if we're up against a hand like AJ, we have 3 scoop outs and 6 chop outs, with 3 more chop outs on the way. certainly not an ideal situation, but not drawing dead. similarly for KQ - 5 outs then 8.

i like the line of calling though. i'd fold to a decent size bet on the next street and call a small one.

[durron597]

Yea, I made my post too quickly (as I am wont to do). Hm. I still like calling, but... we are actually behind to Kd Jd here.

Maybe call and release the hand if a diamond, J, or T hits? Get allin if the board pairs?