To all who think party donks are capable of intelligent thought

[TheWorstPlayer]

Your bet was okay but because it looks weak there is absolutely NO point in raising. You either have a monster or a weak hand that won't call a raise. What a stupid raise. This is exactly what I was talking about in Fim's post a little while back. If he's any good, with deeper stacks, you must bet like you are still trying to protect against the flush draw on the turn so that he doesn't get suspicious. If you bet weakly then he either thinks that you are very strong or very weak. In neither case does he want to raise. The only time he will want to raise is if he thinks that you have something like TPTK or an overpair that you will not want to lay down to a raise. So you must be the turn like you have a strong, but vulnerable, hand. But this only applies to good opponents with deeper stacks really.

[djoyce003]

I agree with that statement 100%...but if there are very many people of thinking at this level sitting at the table with you, it's time to find a new table. Neither of these clowns is capable of thinking on that level, obviously. They probably would have called a bigger turn bet actually because of the trip 7's they each had...who would have thought...i figured they were both drawing at the flush.

[yawak]

I can top that!!!! (Sorry converter didn't work.)

Hero is at seat 0 with $249.
Donk 1 is at seat 1 with $395.85.
Xxx 1 is at seat 2 with $314.75.
Donk 2 is at seat 3 with $137.30.
Donk 3 is at seat 4 with $167.55.
Xxx 2 is at seat 5 with $145.15.
The button is at seat 4.

Xxx 2 posts the small blind of $1.
Hero posts the big blind of $2.

Hero: Ks Kd
Donk 1: -- --
Xxx 1: -- --
Donk 2: -- --
DONK 3: -- --
Xxx 2: -- --

Pre-flop:

Donk 1 calls. Xxx 1 folds. Donk 2 calls.
Donk 3 raises to $12. Xxx 2 folds. Hero
calls. Donk 1 calls. Donk 2 calls.

Flop (board: 2s Kc 3s):

Hero checks. Donk 1 checks. Donk 2 checks.
Donk 3 bets $25. Hero raises to $75.
Donk 1 folds. Donk 2 goes all-in for $125.30.
Donk 3 goes all-in for $155.55. Hero calls.

Turn (board: 2s Kc 3s 8h):

River (board: 2s Kc 3s 8h Tc):

Showdown:

Donk 3 shows Ah Qs.
Donk 3 has Ah Qs Kc 8h Tc: ace high.
Hero shows Ks Kd.
Hero has Ks Kd Kc 8h Tc: three kings.
Donk 2 shows 4d 5d.
Donk 2 has 4d 5d Kc 8h Tc: king high.

$3 is raked from a total pot of $485.40.
$3 is raked from the main pot of $424.90.
$0 is raked from side pot #1 of $60.50.
Hero wins the main pot $421.90 with three kings.
Hero wins the side pot $60.50 with three kings.

[amoeba]

the fold equity of that last $30 is incalculable.

[Cased Heel]

nh for that guy.

You were donk 1 right?

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[theben]

why the hell would i think a donk is capable of intelligent thought? if he was, he probably wouldnt be a donk

[punter11235]

I would bet more on the turn because donks will call anyway with their onecard flush draw [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[wtfsvi]

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...you must bet like you are still trying to protect against the flush draw on the turn so that he doesn't get suspicious. If you bet weakly then he either thinks that you are very strong or very weak. In neither case does he want to raise.

[/ QUOTE ] Why don't villain with a flush draw want to raise you on the turn if you're very weak? His flush draw is likely not beating your weak holding anyway, so he'd be best off making you fold at some point, no?

Just nitpicking though, I agree that you should make a real bet on this turn against thinking oponents. Except when you're representing the full house. And when you're pretending to be representing the full house but actually have it. And so on [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[MagicMan08]

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nh for that guy.

You were donk 1 right?

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[TheWorstPlayer]

The flush draw won't semi-bluff because you are giving him good odds to draw and you might have a monster. It is much better for him to come over the top of a close to pot-sized bet than it is for him to come over the top of a small bet there. Against a good opponent, a small bet will put him on edge. A normal, protect your vulnerable hand, sized bet with deep stacks will be more likely to induce a semi-bluff.