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11-07-2004, 08:37 AM
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Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
A few months ago, I was playing in a $100 buy-in NL cash game on party and one guy in the room was just moving in preflop literally 80% of the time and rebought for the full $100 about 10 times in the course of 20 minutes.
He claimed to be under the influence of heavy anti-depressants because of the stress he was under due to the death of his wife's newborn infant. I believed the authenticity of his situation because he was able to quickly give the names of the drugs he was taking, as well as refer us to a website with the heartbreaking account of his wife's pregnancy and the tragic death of the fetus. Some people in the game obviously felt guilty and tried convincing him to stop throwing his money away. I attempted to do this too, but he claimed that gambling on poker was theraputic for him and that the money he was dumping at the table was an amount he could afford to lose. So I figured if he wants to give away his money, I might as well get the rest of it in a 15/30 heads up match. Our 'competition' lasted about 50 hands before I cleared him out of his $1700. The maniac would cap every street with little to nothing and then when he finally busted, he begged me to transfer him some more money, because his weekly deposity limit was up. As I took a taxi back to my hotel after my session, I felt a little guilty about taking his money. It felt too easy. If he would have played halfway decently, or at least put up some sort of fight, I would have felt like I earned it. Instead, I felt more like I robbed the guy. Would you take this guys money after finding out what I've shared with you? At what point would you stop taking his money if party didnt put a cap on the amount he could transfer from his bank account. 
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#2
11-07-2004, 09:19 AM
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Re: Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
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A few months ago, I was playing in a $100 buy-in NL cash game on party and one guy in the room was just moving in preflop literally 80% of the time and rebought for the full $100 about 10 times in the course of 20 minutes. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So I figured if he wants to give away his money, I might as well get the rest of it in a 15/30 heads up match. Our 'competition' lasted about 50 hands before I cleared him out of his $1700. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As I took a taxi back to my hotel after my session, I felt a little guilty about taking his money. [/ QUOTE ] And to think that before I read the last part I had almost believed this story.
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#4
11-07-2004, 12:10 PM
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Re: Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
Assuming this story is true, I think it was pretty low of you to challenge him to a HU match. If he is truly in crisis, and wants to play to drown his sorrows, I don't see anything wrong with gambling it up with him at a full table, where he is fair game for anyone, and where he can at least try to have his escapism and possibly not lose too much too quickly. But to drag him aside specifically for the purpose of raping him sounds pretty disgusting to me.
Remember...what goes around in this world comes around.
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#6
11-08-2004, 08:56 AM
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Re: Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
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Assuming this story is true, I think it was pretty low of you to challenge him to a HU match. If he is truly in crisis, and wants to play to drown his sorrows, I don't see anything wrong with gambling it up with him at a full table, where he is fair game for anyone, and where he can at least try to have his escapism and possibly not lose too much too quickly. But to drag him aside specifically for the purpose of raping him sounds pretty disgusting to me. Remember...what goes around in this world comes around. [/ QUOTE ] First off Enon did not "drag" him aside. This particular man consciously knew what he was doing. It was his choice to play HU. It was his choice to go all-in a bazillion times. No one forced him to play, and quite the contrary told him to get off the table. He insisted on staying and playing. However, I believe Enon should have given back a bit to the man. Yes, what goes around comes around. People have different ways of escaping reality and the cold truth that reality brings.
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#8
11-08-2004, 04:52 PM
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Re: Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
He is a grown man and how can you force someone to play headsup.
[ QUOTE ] I believe Enon should have given back a bit to the man [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this but I would have waited until the following day to give him a kickback hoping he was in a better state of mind. i personally would never of asked him to play heads up to begin with, something doesn't feel right about it but had that situation occurred under the circumstances i would def kick the guy back some money, but thats just me.
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#9
11-08-2004, 10:28 AM
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Re: Moral Dillema on PartyPoker
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I don't see anything wrong with gambling it up with him at a full table, where he is fair game for anyone [/ QUOTE ] I personally don't share this feeling that taking his money in a live game vs. heads up match is of great magnitudes worse (if you believe it wrong in the first place). I find it strange that you have no problem with taking his money in this full game but consider it 'raping' to get him one-on-one. I also feel it is completely irrelevant to the morality of taking the donator's money whether it is equally dispered among other players. [ QUOTE ] where he can at least try to have his escapism [/ QUOTE ] He enjoyed the same escapism with me heads up when his mouse didn't leave the raise button, as when he pushed in preflop almost every hand at the full table. [ QUOTE ] and possibly not lose too much too quickly [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you here that taking his money so quickly and leaving him with no more to gamble with that night is a relevant factor. This got me thinking, how would you feel if I played him 3/6 or 5/10 heads up that allowed him to lose the money at the same pace as he would have lost it at the $100 NL table? Still rape?
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