A few hands for review

vetman81 · #1 07-19-2004, 02:21 AM

Hand 1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

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BB (t955)
UTG (t865)
MP1 (t1205)
MP2 (t65)
CO (t1880)
Button (t1850)
Hero (t1180)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t65 (All-In), CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t365) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t250, BB folds, UTG calls t250.

Turn: (t865) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t830 (All-In), UTG calls t515 (All-In).

River: (t2210) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t2210

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Jh Qh (flush, queen high).
MP2 shows 4d 9d (one pair, tens).
Hero shows 8s 7s (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: UTG wins t1895. Hero wins t315. 

On this hand, I thought he was on a draw, maybe top pair, but I felt fairly confident I was ahead in the hand. I don't know if I could have played it any other way that would have made him give up on his flush draw. Comments?

Hand 2:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

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UTG+1 (t800)
MP1 (t590)
Hero (t680)
MP3 (t435)
CO (t260)
Button (t915)
SB (t1445)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t30, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t30, BB folds, Hero raises to t125, SB folds.

Final Pot: t245

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t245. 

On this hand, I was worried about the flush or even the straight. I don't think I could have milked it for anything and felt good about it, so I raised. Comments?

Hand 3:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

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Button (t2410)
Hero (t1400)
BB (t1245)
UTG (t2945)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t150, BB calls t150, UTG folds, Button calls t150.

Turn: (t850) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, Button calls t125.

River: (t1225) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t100, BB calls t100, Button folds.

Final Pot: t1425

Results in white below: 
BB shows Td Ac (one pair, tens).
Hero shows Ts 7c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: BB wins t1425. 

On this hand I flopped TPBK and led out. I think maybe I should check raise and see how it is played out. If he reraises, I can give it up pretty easily, but if he just calls my raise, should I go ahead and bet out?

Hand 4:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

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SB (t2135)
Hero (t1325)
UTG (t1895)
Button (t2645)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Button calls t200, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t500) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1125 (All-In), Button calls t1125.

Turn: (t2750) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2750) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2750

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c Qc (high card, king).
Button shows Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t2750. 

How bad was the push on this hand? I thought the button would limp in with maybe an ace, bad kicker or maybe KQ, so I thought a push here would get him to fold. Even if he doesn't, I still have outs. If he has a jack, I still have one overcard as well. Comments?

Thanks in advance.

Hood · #2 07-19-2004, 09:52 AM

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Hand 1:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t955)
UTG (t865)
MP1 (t1205)
MP2 (t65)
CO (t1880)
Button (t1850)
Hero (t1180)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t65 (All-In), CO folds, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t365) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t250, BB folds, UTG calls t250.

Turn: (t865) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets t830 (All-In), UTG calls t515 (All-In).

River: (t2210) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t2210

Results in white below: 
UTG shows Jh Qh (flush, queen high).
MP2 shows 4d 9d (one pair, tens).
Hero shows 8s 7s (two pair, tens and eights).
Outcome: UTG wins t1895. Hero wins t315. 

On this hand, I thought he was on a draw, maybe top pair, but I felt fairly confident I was ahead in the hand. I don't know if I could have played it any other way that would have made him give up on his flush draw. Comments?

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I wouldn't have underbet on that flop. There's flush and straight draws, and my underbetting you were giving him better odds to draw. I may have pushed on the flop - you're down to 1080 in the pot with 365 in chips, 33.7% of your chips. If he'd have re-raised you were probably pot-comitted and would have to call anyway - you've at least got some outs to a full/quads.

I doubt pushing on the flop would have got him to fold as he had the straight and flush draw, but it's better than letting him draw cheaply. And it makes sure that if he just had a flush or straight draw he is incorrect to call.

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Hand 2:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

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UTG+1 (t800)
MP1 (t590)
Hero (t680)
MP3 (t435)
CO (t260)
Button (t915)
SB (t1445)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls t30, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t30, BB folds, Hero raises to t125, SB folds.

Final Pot: t245

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t245. 

On this hand, I was worried about the flush or even the straight. I don't think I could have milked it for anything and felt good about it, so I raised. Comments?

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Looks good to me. You don't want someone with Ah or Kh drawing cheaply. You bet the pot, standard stuff, I'd do the same.

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Hand 3:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

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Button (t2410)
Hero (t1400)
BB (t1245)
UTG (t2945)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t100, Button calls t100, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t150, BB calls t150, UTG folds, Button calls t150.

Turn: (t850) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, Button calls t125.

River: (t1225) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t100, BB calls t100, Button folds.

Final Pot: t1425

Results in white below: 
BB shows Td Ac (one pair, tens).
Hero shows Ts 7c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: BB wins t1425. 

On this hand I flopped TPBK and led out. I think maybe I should check raise and see how it is played out. If he reraises, I can give it up pretty easily, but if he just calls my raise, should I go ahead and bet out?

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Hmm, don't like this. I don't think I would have completed PF. T7 is a cruddy hand - what do you want to flop? You got what you wanted (TPBK), so you've got to bet it. Betting out 125 doesn't do much good. You get called by two players. What do you think they've got? There's no flush draw. Straight draw is unlikely. Would these guys call with middle pair, or with a weaker kicker?

When you're in first on a hand like this you've got to have a plan. Personally, my plan would be 'fold PF because god knows what I'll do if I hit my pair on the flop'. Betting 125 doesn't get you any information - if you get raised, you'll have to fold. If you get called, where do you stand? 125 isn't many chips when the pot is 400 so you could get called by anything. If you're gonna bet, it's got to be near pot-sized (or all-in, looking at your stack).

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Hand 4:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t2135)
Hero (t1325)
UTG (t1895)
Button (t2645)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG folds, Button calls t200, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t500) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t1125 (All-In), Button calls t1125.

Turn: (t2750) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2750) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2750

Results in white below: 
Hero shows 8c Qc (high card, king).
Button shows Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t2750. 

How bad was the push on this hand? I thought the button would limp in with maybe an ace, bad kicker or maybe KQ, so I thought a push here would get him to fold. Even if he doesn't, I still have outs. If he has a jack, I still have one overcard as well. Comments?

Thanks in advance.

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I think it's a good move. I'd expect you only to get called if he has queens - perhaps by AK or A7 - most of the time I should think you'd take this down.

Jason Strasser · #3 07-19-2004, 10:09 AM

Hood make goot post.

I would like to add to the T7o and Q8s hands, that if your table was sufficiently tight, it wouldn't be wrong to go all in PF with them.

I would never ever complete with T7o, I think that is by far your poorest move here. I also would like to add, that when I flop bottom 2 pair with a flush draw out, I may even overbet the pot, instead of betting the pot.