I folded Aces!!!

imcastleman · #1 06-17-2004, 01:39 AM

Anybody think I was beat here. Festivus Pole is my opponent. This is most likely the first time I have folded Aces in a sit n go, but I did end up getting second through a lot of luck and aggressive play. Comments Please!!

***** Hand History for Game 680889363 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 4229198) - Thu Jun 17 00:49:06 EDT 2004
Table Table 11131 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: katie324us (985)
Seat 2: imcastleman (1000)
Seat 3: zelong (985)
Seat 4: RULE22 (1030)
Seat 5: Mike618 (1000)
Seat 6: callkw (985)
Seat 7: FestivusPole (1055)
Seat 8: spyhard_spb (975)
Seat 9: Bluffn101 (955)
Seat 10: whalehead (1030)
whalehead posts small blind (10)
katie324us posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to imcastleman [ As, Ad ]
imcastleman calls (15)
zelong calls (15)
RULE22 raises (80) to 80
Mike618 folds.
callkw folds.
FestivusPole calls (80)
spyhard_spb folds.
Bluffn101 folds.
whalehead folds.
katie324us folds.
imcastleman calls (65)
zelong calls (65)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, 4h, 2c ]
imcastleman checks.
zelong checks.
RULE22 checks.
FestivusPole checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
imcastleman bets (250)
zelong calls (250)
RULE22 folds.
FestivusPole raises (975) to 975
FestivusPole is all-In.
imcastleman: I have AA
imcastleman folds.
zelong folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1820 with FestivusPole
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1820
Board: [ Jc 4h 2c Qc ]
katie324us balance 970, lost 15 (folded)
imcastleman balance 670, lost 330 (folded)
zelong balance 655, lost 330 (folded)
RULE22 balance 950, lost 80 (folded)
Mike618 balance 1000, didn't bet (folded)
callkw balance 985, didn't bet (folded)
FestivusPole balance 1820, bet 1055, collected 1820, net +765
spyhard_spb balance 975, didn't bet (folded)
Bluffn101 balance 955, didn't bet (folded)
whalehead balance 1020, lost 10 (folded)

Jsb · #2 06-17-2004, 02:23 AM

i would have reraised preflop. maybe even push, with a raise and a caller, you have a strong possibility of getting called.
and then why didn't you bet the flop? i definitely would have come out betting, as you're almost sure to get a caller, and you want the flush draw to pay big time to stay in. in fact, you want to bet high enough so that he is not getting proper odds to stay in at all.
on the turn, well as i said, betting the flop might have prevented this situation. as it is, yeah there is a chance you were beat. is this pokerstars or something? if it were party, i would have called at this point and shrugged if i lost because alot of people like to make this play on party with just the Q here.
either way, i think it was a mistake to not bet the flop.

question: might this have been a good time to use the stop and go? instead of reraising preflop as my instinct tells me to do, just call with the intention of pushing on the flop? i've been trying to understand when is a good time to use this move

redwings03 · #3 06-17-2004, 02:36 AM

1 - How do you check that flop? I would bet it, maybe even move in & considering how poorly most players play I wouldn't be suprised to get called by someone with as little as JT.

2 - Aces are not a stop and go hand in response to the other poster. Aces are the King Daddy Bet for Value hand. You want 1-2 callers with aces (not 5) and you want the callers to pay the most you think you can get out of them. A stop and go type play is used to bluff/semi bluff a person out of pot generally when you hold small to medium pairs and you believe your opponent is on overcards only.

Lastly, always better to win a small pot with aces or any hand for that matter than lose a big one.

Oh, and for the record, I would say you were most probably beat.

gergery · #4 06-17-2004, 03:56 AM

I think the title of your post should be
"I folded Aces because I limp called preflop and checked the rag flop so it was my own fault"

Don't mean to be rude, but you could have played that much better preflop and on flop to avoid this necessary fold.

-greg

Hood · #5 06-17-2004, 05:03 AM

Using the hand converter makes the post a lot easier to read:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t985)
Hero (t1000)
UTG+1 (t985)
UTG+2 (t1030)
MP1 (t1000)
MP2 (t985)
MP3 (t1055)
CO (t975)
Button (t955)
SB (t1030)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 raises to t80, 2 folds, MP3 calls t80, 4 folds, Hero calls t65, UTG+1 calls t65.

Flop: (t345) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.

Turn: (t345) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t250, UTG+1 calls t250, UTG+2 folds, MP3 raises to t975 (All-In), Hero folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: t1820
Main Pot: t1095 (t1095), won by MP3.
Pot 2: t725 (t725), returned to MP3.

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP3 wins t1820.

ZeeJustin · #6 06-17-2004, 08:32 AM

Your play is awful for reasons already mentioned.

Scottnyce · #7 06-17-2004, 08:53 AM

Not trying to sound like Johnny A-Hole....but was that post a joke...that was terrible. What could be the reason to limp with the Aces if your not gonna re-raise.....

and then you check the flop.....????

Has to be a joke.....

mikey checks · #8 06-17-2004, 10:10 AM

Not to sound repetitive but you got raised preflop....that's perfect play to reraise & bet the flop...you'll get at least a caller in both situations.

#9 06-17-2004, 10:20 AM

Sorry, man but everyone is right. You played the hand wrong.

Prickly Pete · #10 06-17-2004, 10:38 AM

Hey imcastleman, I'll let you rest easier here. I'm the villain FestivusPole and you had 2 outs as I had flopped a set with 22.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for calling raises with 22 and not betting the set against the flush draw, but I like to try to maximize things here.

Congrats on the 2nd btw, I think I pissed through my stack to finish 6th or something.