LC: Checking the river from EP w/ winning hand

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

I was wondering if it is better to check the river in early position with the winning hand or bet to extract maximum value. For example:

Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: Lizard1970 ( $765 )
Seat 7: Gaborfski ( $1685 )
Seat 9: ChesyPoker ( $775 )
Seat 8: RJK6113 ( $355 )
Seat 4: deecubed ( $875 )
Seat 10: semaj1988 ( $785 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $775 )
Seat 6: gamblingbig ( $1215 )
Seat 1: flickaboogah ( $770 )
Trny:15819831 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Qs Qc ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises [60].
deecubed calls [60].
RJK6113: n c
Lizard1970 folds.
gamblingbig folds.
Gaborfski calls [60].
RJK6113 folds.
ChesyPoker folds.
semaj1988 folds.
flickaboogah folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Ts, Qh ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
deecubed checks.
Gaborfski bets [100].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [100].
deecubed folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
Gaborfski bets [200].
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [200].
** Dealing River ** [ 4s ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
Gaborfski checks.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ Qs, Qc ] a full house, Queens full of threes.
Gaborfski doesn't show [ Qd, Td ] two pairs, queens and tens.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 wins 805 chips from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of threes.

[sublyme]

He's obviously going to think something is up if you're check calling him to the river. Thus, giving someone a chance to check behind on the river and get a free showdown is a loss of a bet. Make a medium or large bet that makes it look like a steal or a missed draw, and pray they have two pair or better and will call you.

First, if you had led the flop you probably could have gotten it all in right then. Second, I'd checkraise the turn. Finally, you cannot give him a chance for a free showdown on the river. Good hands like this don't come around that often. Don't be so fancy and bet/raise more aggressively and you will probably win a bigger pot

[lorinda]

There seems to be a current fad of people on this forum calling these bets.

I'd push all in and hope that I was up against a 2+2 lurker.

Lori

[sublyme]

I'd probably disagree with the check-raise on the turn, as it would give his opponent the chance to get away from the hand; pairing the board would put his opponent behind a 3, pocket kings or aces, and would scare him away from the river.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

[ QUOTE ]
There seems to be a current fad of people on this forum calling these bets.

I'd push all in and hope that I was up against a 2+2 lurker.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

Lori, you are a great "Table Coach" [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I think I understand... like this...

***** Hand History for Game 2730100371 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:15833324 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Saturday, September 17, 22:08:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 11625 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: DantheRock ( $1320 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 ( $785 )
Seat 5: ronaldsday ( $625 )
Seat 8: chadro52 ( $755 )
Seat 4: Kochw ( $1455 )
Seat 10: luckylady19 ( $745 )
Seat 9: citron16 ( $760 )
Seat 2: turbogst0324 ( $770 )
Seat 1: sansoo1981 ( $785 )
Trny:15833324 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 3d 3c ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls [15].
Kochw folds.
ronaldsday folds.
DantheRock folds.
chadro52 folds.
citron16 calls [15].
luckylady19 folds.
sansoo1981 folds.
turbogst0324 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 8s, 5h ]
turbogst0324 checks.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets [60].
citron16 calls [60].
turbogst0324 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
citron16 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In [710]
citron16 is all-In [685]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 shows [ 3d, 3c ] a full house, Threes full of eights.
citron16 shows [ 9h, 8c ] three of a kind, eights.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 wins 25 chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Threes full of eights.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 wins 1545 chips from the main pot with a full house, Threes full of eights.
citron16 finished in ninth place.
citron16 has left the table.

[lorinda]

My work here is done...... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Thanks for posting this one, always nice to know that people will actually try stuff out rather than just read it [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Edit: If only the play worked every time.... [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Lori

[Stoneii]

I'd say practice the play in the NA v EU game - will work a treat with all those 2+2'ers Lori [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

stoneii (recruitment drive)

[lorinda]

I haven't been able to reach any poker sites (or any worth playing) for 24 hours thanks to some local bs or other. It looks like I won't be able to play [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Lori

[Stoneii]

u have at least a month Lori (sticking a salesmans foot in the door!!) - we're just getting the poll sorted and Doc has asked if any marketing freebies on offer from stars

If you're sorted before mid Oct time EU would be delighted to add such talent/grace and finesse to it's numbers which all helps to keep the NA's on the back foot.

I won't follow you about though - so rest easy lol - if you get it sorted and you're about mid/late Oct on stars - join in for EU

cheers

stoneii