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[davidross]

Tell me more please. THis sounds interesting. I got the note that there was a patch available, but I haven't downloaded it yet. What sort of stuff can you import? and will it merge with the notes I already have or overwrite them?

[davidross]

I have 85,000 hands loaded now, about 6 weeks.

[MicroBob]

the note-export thing is INCREDIBLE.
this is the general consensus from a few who have posted on it in the internet-forum and i wholeheartedly concur.

i'm pretty sure it doesn't overwrite your previous notes.
with your total number of hands you will get stats in the notes of virtually all your opponents i would think.

there is a variety of different stats you can choose to import...it lets you play around a bit and choose your own preferences.

[1800GAMBLER]

Hey.

Once you've added the patch go to export notes and advanced tab and all will be explained. I'd read help on it maybe overwriting your notes first. Here's a few things that will help you along:

What i writen in NL forum about how it affects NL players:

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I've exported the following values:

Number of Hands Played Against.

Amount Won.

VPIP - Percentage player put money in the pot.

PFR - Preflop raise percentage.

FBB - Fold BB to a steal raise.

Amount Won firstly helps me sperate who's a clown from who are the winning players. So this helps hand reading if you know the player is solid.

As NL players i think the most important figure for us is the PFR amount. Here's my breakdown of it:

<1% raises only AA KK.

<2.5% raises Add QQ AK

<3.7% add AQ

<4.2% add JJ

<5.8% add TT QK AJ

<10% add 99 88 KJ AT

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And here's the famous well loved Ms Sunshine thread on how to evaluate some of the numbers.

[cornell2005]

that rake paid number isnt the actual extra money you would have if the rake percentage was zero right?
is it the total amount of money you have contributed to the rake, irrespective if you were the one to win the pot or not? so it a portion of the rake paid number actual losses from other players as well if they win the pot and a portion of the money you put into the pot got raked?

[Bob L]

Hi David -it took me a while but I finally figured out who you are at party.You said hi out of the blue to me and it took only a half hour to put it together...lol.I find it real funny how our family situations and playing full time poker are very similar (i have 3 kids)-and also have the same pitfalls-not enough time to workout etc.Anyway good luck in working it all out.
Also in regards to all the rake -just think how much you save by playing online compared to live -no dollar for a jackpot,no tips,no waiting around for a table etc.Besides that online caps rake at $3 -many live casinos rake 4and 5$

[Nottom]

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is it the total amount of money you have contributed to the rake, irrespective if you were the one to win the pot or not? so it a portion of the rake paid number actual losses from other players as well if they win the pot and a portion of the money you put into the pot got raked?

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This is true, but remember all the other players are contributing about the same amount. So in magical no rake land you should expect to make about that much extra.

[illunious]

I don't think this is true cornell..

There's a "Total Rake" under the "Summary" tab with all the rake from every hand in PT (by game level).

The other "Total Rake" in the "General Info" tab is rake taken from pots the selected player won.

[thedudeoflife]

"I think I threw away a lot of bets. It’s an interesting phenomenon actually. It’s almost like I want to see what I was beat by this time."

I hear you loud and clear my friend. I have the same problem and I think if I can correct it it would be a huge step in me becoming a better player. You deep down think you have now lost the lead in the hand, after thinking that you had it up until this point. You call anyway because you have to know for sure that you were beat. I think that if I was permitted to see the other players cards if I layed down when I thought I was beat, just to assuage any doubts I would lay it down 90% of the time in these scenarios instead of the 25% I probably do now.

[thedudeoflife]

"Reviewing my rake numbers has me wondering what percentage of players can actually win. Since I started with poker tracker, I’ve won $15,350, and paid $14,600 in rake. Assume an imaginary 6 player table, with all of us paying 14,000 in rake, plus my 15,000 in winnings, that’s 100K that the other 5 have lost in total. Unless I’m missing something, those are pretty spectacular losses. It’ll take a lot of opponents to make up that 100K. Clearly I need to look at moving up in stakes if possible to reduce the rake as a percentage of my earnings."

Take a look at this:

I ran 2 simulations on turbo texas holdem. Both simulations were for 175,000 hands, using a rake structure of 5% with a 3.00 max and no dealer toke. I used the same lineups for each. The only difference was that the first sim was for 3/6 HE and the second sim was 10/20 HE.


the results were interesting I thought.

For the 3/6 sim: 8 out 10 players finished with negative p/l's. The 2 best p/l's were + 2,138 and 1,282. The 3 worst p/l's were -66,198, -75,684, and -67,838

For the 10/20 sim: 6 out of 10 players finished with negative p/l's. The 2 best p/l's were +27,025 and +33,041 (same 2 players as 3/6 sim). The 3 worst p/l's were -160,424, -181,881, and -139,191 (same 3 players as 3/6 sim).

the lineup was :welcome waldo, buford muldoon, trickie dickie, nathan detroit, red e teller, omarotmaker!, myopic mike, harry the horse, renfeld, and conan the librarian. a mixture of tight avg and loose profiles.


Another interesting thing was that yesterday I ran a simulation for 2,000,000 hands using TTHE "tough" lineup playing against each other. All 10 players lost significantly as the rake was unable to be overcome. The point of this I guess is "bad" players are needed in the game or it is not worth playing. So we should probably celebrate every bad beat we have instead of lamenting them.