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Loser 1 5.00%
Break even 1 5.00%
Very successful 3 15.00%
Somewhat successful 15 75.00%
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Old 08-01-2005, 09:41 PM
durron597 durron597 is offline
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Default What is the wrongest part of this hand

My final river fold is definitely right because I am good 0% of the time. However, the rest of the hand is definitely questionable. Every so often I try to get into win a small pot lose a smaller pot situation and I end up losing a big pot. Probably should have just folded preflop... but it was sooooooooooted.

Ugh I just realized how small the turn raise was. Bad Bad Bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1400)
MP3 (t1940)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1280)
SB (t1380)
BB (t1570)
UTG (t1460)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20, MP2 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t40</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls t40, MP2 folds, Button calls t40.

Turn: (t240) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t160</font>, Button calls t160, SB calls t120.

River: (t720) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t160</font>, Hero calls t160, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t320</font>, SB calls t160, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1520
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Old 08-01-2005, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

The title of your post.
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Old 08-01-2005, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

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The title of your post.

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What should it be? Every part of this hand is so bad, you help me decide what the worst part is?
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Old 08-01-2005, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

Hehe.. No love for wrongest ;-)

For me, I'm not into the flop call. I personally limp here, then given no one showed any big strength I think I try and define the hand here by popping the flop to pot size or slightly less and at worst case making the draw pricey.

I do this a lot and win many small pots, likely losing lots of extra chips in being draw paranoid, but it might be the right play here?

I'll defer to most opinions and am curious if my thinking is flawed here?

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Old 08-01-2005, 09:52 PM
astarck astarck is offline
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

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The title of your post.

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What should it be? Every part of this hand is so bad, you help me decide what the worst part is?

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Most wrong....I think.

EDIT - worst is the best.
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

PF fine, flop ergh, turn mediocre, river meh
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

Preflop is fine.
Flop is only ok if you have a ton of respect for SB. Otherwise raise to the size of the pot.
Turn is horrid, raise to the size of the pot.
River is fine right up to the part where you fold getting 10-1 or whatever and the flush ace on board.
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:12 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

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Preflop is fine.
Flop is only ok if you have a ton of respect for SB. Otherwise raise to the size of the pot.
Turn is horrid, raise to the size of the pot.
River is fine right up to the part where you fold getting 10-1 or whatever and the flush ace on board.

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Against two opponents with 4 to a straight on board in a low buyin? I'm *NEVER* good there.
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

Yeah, I'm starting to think not raising the flop is horrible. I was trying to keep the pot small...
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Old 08-01-2005, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: What is the wrongest part of this hand

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Yeah, I'm starting to think not raising the flop is horrible. I was trying to keep the pot small...

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Keeping the pot small is not bad, but making it expensive enough to intimidate flush draws is pretty necessary here. Unless you think these are tight opponents, you're going to get paid off by worse aces more than you're going to get trapped with better aces in this fashion. If you get it heads up, you can then reevaluate. I agree pretty much completely with Unarmed's sentiments; raise the flop, raise more on the turn.
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