two weak-tight hands

sluttysteve · #1 10-17-2005, 12:36 AM

Just making the switch to 1/2 six max, and was wondering what standard lines on these hands were.

Hand 1:
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP 3-bets, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, MP calls, CO calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

I felt like such crap after this hand, was a better line to call the flop and raise the turn on a non-scary card?

AllIn3High · #2 10-17-2005, 12:51 AM

Hand 1 looks fine, i think it's probably close between folding the flop and calling. If CO hadn't cold-called I think it's an easy fold.

Hand 2 is good until the turn, horrible fold, I'm calling down here. Your hand is good here often enough.

ArturiusX · #3 10-17-2005, 01:05 AM

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Hand 1 looks fine, i think it's probably close between folding the flop and calling. If CO hadn't cold-called I think it's an easy fold.
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eviljeff · #4 10-17-2005, 01:09 AM

hand 1:

you have equity to cap this flop, but just calling is alright given that UTG might fold.

turn bet good.

I don't know what to do with this river. if there was another face card out there upping the chances of two pair I'd probably 3bet. other than the flush I can only put him on a set or stupidly played AA/AK.

hand 2:

I'm raising this flop every time. there's no way he's folding overs to our raise and too often I'll see players take a stab at the flop and then check the turn. pop him while you have the chance.

the turn obviously sucks, but remember even if he has an A you likely have 7 outs to a chop. calling down costs 2BB, but we'll win 7. given that some players will bet this scare card with nothing... eh, it could be close. I think folding is fine though.

ArturiusX · #5 10-17-2005, 01:09 AM

Hand 2: I wouldn't fold here unless this guy has an agro of about .2. Its an easy call down.

AllIn3High · #6 10-17-2005, 01:10 AM

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Hand 1 looks fine, i think it's probably close between folding the flop and calling. If CO hadn't cold-called I think it's an easy fold.
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dhaimon · #7 10-17-2005, 01:10 AM

I don't understand his river raise in hand 1 so I usually 3-bet here. i'd suspect you would have heard from a better flush on the turn. i'd also checkraise the turn.

hand 2 I call it down.

eviljeff · #8 10-17-2005, 01:11 AM

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Hand 1 looks fine, i think it's probably close between folding the flop and calling. If CO hadn't cold-called I think it's an easy fold.
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also we've got something close to 35% equity.

ArturiusX · #9 10-17-2005, 01:12 AM

Also, I can't believe no one picked this up yet, I dont like the flop bet at all in hand 1. Check and see.

spydog · #10 10-17-2005, 07:43 AM

Hand 1: I check this flop with 4 opponents. You have nearly zero chance of picking up this pot and I'd rather see the flop action to help me determine how to extract the most if I hit my flush. This flop is fairly ragged, so your flop lead will normally yield 1-3 folds, but generally an average of 2 folds, so your flop bet will generally have thin value.

Hand 2: In a HU blind battle I think this is a call down. If the raise had come from UTG/MP then I think your fold would be fine. Either way, I don't think folding is criminal, it's probably about neutral EV, especially at the 1/2 level.