Good overbet?

[mlagoo]

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...if you get lucky and spike a heart or a 9 on the turn...

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I've never heard "spike" used to refer to a 12-outer. Even "get lucky" is pushing it. And an ace will probably make a winning hand too.

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oh jesus, find something else to bitch about

sorry our view on the term "spike" is different. i'll replace it with "find" next time, to ensure everyone knows i am "poker term savvy."

and hitting a 12 or 15 outer on the turn would be lucky. not incredibly lucky. but the odds are against it.


what a stupid post.

[curtains]

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Given the number of outs, you're probably a favorite in the hand. Wouldn't it be better to induce your opponent to bet into you after making your hand? There are only 6 blinds in the pot anyway -- do you really want to push your opponent out of a smallish pot as a favorite?

Depending on your table image, etc. I think a "post oak" bet of 25% of the pot or less might have an interesting effect. If he folds, you lost nothing except maybe an induced bluff (remote). If he reads it for weakness and raises, THEN you push. If he calls and bets the turn, then it depends on pot odds and the turn but you probably semibluff-push then.

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You are probably a favorite however not a large enough one to not want to take down the 300 chips in the pot immediately.

[AKQJ10]

The point is that you're talking about an(at least) 12-out draw like it's a huge longshot.

[mlagoo]

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The point is that you're talking about an(at least) 12-out draw like it's a huge longshot.

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well i'll chalk it up to bad writing then. i wasn't trying to convey that at all.

[AKQJ10]

Fair enough. No put-down intended.

[Chaostracize]

t350 is not a small amount. If I bet, and he raises, my re-raise all-in has no folding equity, whereas pushing does. I just wanted to make sure my 2x pot bet wasn't nuts here. But I don't think I'm doing it without the flush draw.

[Chaostracize]

Without the flush draw you've lost 9 outs against top pair and mid pair hands, should he choose to call. I think I disagree with moving in without the flush draw. Now if I had the Ah, that changes things a little... but I still think that would be reckless and I'd probably make a bet of around t150, and try to take it down there and shut down if played with.

[Chaostracize]

Villain called with 97o. I spiked my 9 on the turn and the reiver didn't help villain.

[Unoriginalname]

Hmm, I would've folded this preflop. Does anyone else do this or have I been playing too tight?

[curtains]

Raising is fine, but folding is fine also.