Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Other Topics > Science, Math, and Philosophy
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-29-2005, 01:53 PM
VivaLaViking VivaLaViking is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 97
Default Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

c is an arbitrary constant, a is a real number.

ln(a)
------- = c
(1 - a)

Isolate a.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-30-2005, 12:33 AM
fishsauce fishsauce is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 0
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

[ QUOTE ]
c is an arbitrary constant, a is a real number.

ln(a)
------- = c
(1 - a)

Isolate a.

[/ QUOTE ]

The only equivalence I can find with only one occurence of a is

c = \int_1^a (x+1)/x dx

where \int_1^a is the definite integral from 1 to a. This is derived from the original equation by first multplying bth sides by (1-a), then exponentiating both sides to get
a e^a = e^(c+1).
Then taking the natural log of both sides you get
c+1 = ln(a e^a) = a + ln(a).
Since ln(a) = \int_1^a 1/x dx and a = \int_1^a 1 dx + 1,
we have
c+1 = \int_1^a (1 + 1/x) dx + 1.
But I think this is all you can do.

Also, from the second FTC, since c is constant,
0 = (a+1)/a
for which the only solution is a = -1, for which the original problem statement is undefined.

Anyhow, where does this problem come from?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-30-2005, 12:38 AM
gumpzilla gumpzilla is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,401
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

Answer: <font color="white"> Differentiate both sides, leading to 1 / (a * (1-a)) + ln a / (1 - a)^2 = 0. Now substitute in our relationship from before and manipulate to get a = - 1 / c. </font>

EDIT: I don't think this makes a lick of sense. At the very least the result I got doesn't make sense. It's time to go to bed.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-30-2005, 04:02 AM
PairTheBoard PairTheBoard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 46
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

[ QUOTE ]
fishsauce --

multplying bth sides by (1-a), then exponentiating both sides to get
a e^a = e^(c+1).


[/ QUOTE ]

You have an error here. You turned c(1-a) into c+1-a.

PairTheBoard
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-30-2005, 04:27 AM
PairTheBoard PairTheBoard is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 46
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

[ QUOTE ]
Answer: Differentiate both sides, leading to 1 / (a * (1-a)) + ln a / (1 - a)^2 = 0. Now substitute in our relationship from before and manipulate to get a = - 1 / c.
<font color="white">.
</font>
EDIT: I don't think this makes a lick of sense. At the very least the result I got doesn't make sense. It's time to go to bed.

[/ QUOTE ]

Taking the derivative makes no sense. On the left hand side you have a function in the variable a which is Not constant. Just because you're trying to solve for when the function equals c does not mean the derivative of the function is zero.

It would be like trying to solve the equation x^2=3 by saying the derivative of x^2 must be zero. ie. 2x=0 so x=0. It makes no sense.

PairTheBoard
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-30-2005, 07:18 AM
BluffTHIS! BluffTHIS! is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 375
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

Doesn't the logarithmic base here need to be specified?
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-30-2005, 07:36 AM
Hiding Hiding is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 99
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

ln, is the natural log (base 2)
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-30-2005, 08:13 AM
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

[ QUOTE ]
ln, is the natural log (base 2)

[/ QUOTE ]
I assume you mean base e (2.71828.....)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-30-2005, 08:50 AM
Hiding Hiding is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 99
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

yep, sorry about that.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-30-2005, 10:02 AM
VivaLaViking VivaLaViking is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 97
Default Re: Does anyone have the math skills to isolate the variable, a.

Can't anyone offer any suggestions on how variable, a, may be isolated.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:49 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.