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Old 05-18-2005, 05:56 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

UTG is somewhat tight and haven't raised more than one hand up to now.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (5 handed) converter

Button (t1230)
SB (t1470)
BB (t1010)
UTG (t1585)
Hero (t2705)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG goes all-in [t1585] , <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t450
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:11 PM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

I'm pretty sure it's a crime to fold here.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:12 PM
Matt Walker Matt Walker is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

I call I think at worst your a coinflip and take a look at how the stacks would be if you call and win here. You would have a dominate stack on the bubble. You have almost a lock on first if you win this hand.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:19 PM
J-Lo J-Lo is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

this really depends on how much of a wuss u REALLY are. Are u willing ot push any two the next 3 hands? If you are willing to do that, i fold this and push every other hand til it gets 3 handed.

If u put UTG on AQ+, 77+ this call is break even at best. I fold and use my chip advantage and pick on the pusher and rest of table, but especially the pusher.
If u call and lose, u are down to 1200, if u call and win u have 4400.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:23 PM
joeboe2001 joeboe2001 is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

Sorry to bore you with a repetitious analogy but...

You are walking on a road along a canyon, looking for a place to cross.

You come to a rickety bridge--if you attempt to cross here, there is a 50% chance you will fall to your death.

On the other hand, you could walk a bit further and find a better bridge.

Which would you do?

Your opponent probably has some pair, it doesn't really matter which...your AK is still a drawing hand. You already have some time invested in this tournament. I have no problem waiting for the better bridge.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:25 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

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If u put UTG on AQ+, 77+ this call is break even at best. I fold and use my chip advantage and pick on the pusher and rest of table, but especially the pusher.
If u call and lose, u are down to 1200, if u call and win u have 4400.

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Thats where the problem lies. Putting a range on a tight guy that hasn't done much raising up to now. Granted he has to loosen up with these blinds but how much?
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:35 PM
Nick M Nick M is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

forget the range...I make it easy on myself. If I have AK and someone moves in 5 handed I call. I mean there would have to be a ridiculous situation that would cause me to fold here. If I had 4500 and villian had 5000 and the other 3 had 1000 each maybe I fold here. But seriously do you think he has KK or AA??? If not than the chance of him have Ax is to great to fold.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:36 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

If UTG is 'somewhat tight' the same way as a 2+2'er is 'somewhat tight', this is terrible. If he's 'somewhat tight' as in 'the rockiest rock that ever rocked', this is decent to mediocre.

To put it another way, you'd have to be over 80% sure he has a pair and not an AQ to make this fold.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:39 PM
Freudian Freudian is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

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If UTG is 'somewhat tight' the same way as a 2+2'er is 'somewhat tight', this is terrible. If he's 'somewhat tight' as in 'the rockiest rock that ever rocked', this is decent to mediocre.

To put it another way, you'd have to be over 80% sure he has a pair and not an AQ to make this fold.

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He has a preflop raise of 1.x% after 60 hands (~20% flops seen). Thats not 2+2 tight.
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:34 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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Default Re: 20+2 To be or not to be (a wuss on the bubble).

bah, may freudian plz be so kind to use his stack?
EDIT: u have 2 lives, u can risk one of them.
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