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View Poll Results: # Hours/week spent reviewing your own play | |||
0-1 | 36 | 45.57% | |
1-2 | 28 | 35.44% | |
2-3 | 5 | 6.33% | |
3+ | 10 | 12.66% | |
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll |
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Turn card - what\'s your line?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (8 handed) converter
UTG+1 (t835) MP1 (t825) MP2 (t1245) CO (t360) Button (t785) SB (t930) Hero (t775) UTG (t2245) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls t15, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t90</font>, MP1 calls t75, MP2 calls t75. Flop: (t277.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks. Turn: (t277.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t180</font>, MP2 folds, Hero..... |
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
New to this forum, but I have a question: Why didn't you lead at the flop? Were you planning a check-raise? I think a nice size bet on the flop takes the pot a good percentage of the time. Now, the decision is trickier, I lean towards folding. I'll probably get flamed for that, but I think you can find a better spot later...
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
T180 for a T637 pot.... 3.5/1 With the nut flush & two overs, folding is out of the question. I gather you're more torn between calling and pushing. If you call and miss, it would be very tough to get him off the pot having checked the flop & turn. Check/fold, and you're down to T500ish. Hard to peg MP1, with his bet on the turn. If he flopped the flush, would he bet at all yet? Maybe if it was a small flush, and he doesn't care to see a 4d. It could easily represent hitting the Q...maybe leaving himself an out for when you come over the top. I vote push. Worst case - he has the flush....you still have 9 outs. |
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
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Worst case - he has the flush....you still have 7 outs. [/ QUOTE ] FYP Edit: [deleted] |
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
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OP: you could have seen river alot cheaper by betting the flop. [/ QUOTE ] How is that? I don't have position. Also, I'm posting this hand for fun. I know how I would play this hand. |
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
Sorry, im a moron. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Re: Turn card - what\'s your line?
If hero folds, he has t685 left. Plenty of time, plenty of chips. I don't really like calling because if a diamond hits, I don't really see you getting paid off on the river. I don't like pushing because I don't like putting my entire tournament on the line early with poor odds. Yes, you have two overs and the nut flush draw, but with only one card to come. That's why I lead at the flop, I don't mind getting all my money in (if raised) on the flop, why do it now on the turn when the odds are now worse? Granted you've got some FE, but I think you'll get called enough that pushing is a bad move. Of course, I could be wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Some thoughts to consider...
First, the pot is ~t270.
villain bets 2/3 pot. What does this tell me? How many outs do I have? Maybe: Aces, Kings, AND Jacks (if villains hand is weak) For sure: 9 flush cards (assuming no dead outs). So, all we need to decide is, how much strength does villains bet represent? |
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Re: Some thoughts to consider...
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So, all we need to decide is, how much strength does villains bet represent? [/ QUOTE ] Considering how little interest in this pot our Hero has shown thus far, I don't think he needs that strong of a hand to make this bet. |
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Re: One more thing to consider
Shoot me if I missed this, but I don't think the original post specified the stakes.
The cash at risk will insinuate its way into our decision-making, too. If it's a small buyin, it may not seem enormously appealing to fold the turn or river on a borderline hand and then spend the next 45 minutes trying to grind one's way into third place. Push -- and life stays exciting. Maybe we gain a big enough stack to have some fun for the rest of the tournament. Or we're out. Then we can go hunt for a new game or have dinner with J Lo, or whatever. That's not the most disciplined way to play poker, but when the decision is close -- which this one is -- and the stakes are modest, then time management enters into the picture. At higher stakes, there's more reward for finding the very best play, even if it may mean sweating it out in short-stack land for a while. Anyway, I assumed it was modest stakes and voted "Push." I think there's a 30% chance his raise is based on nothing but our perceived weakness. 70% chance he's got a Q or a flush. And I'm expecting to get called. Interesting hand. What's your read? |
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