Another Terri Shivo post....help me figure this out

[STLantny]

I honestly dont know how I stand on this issue, Im more for state's rights than anything, but I also see it as a moral issue..but, one thing that no one has been able to answer me: if i were to travel to Terri's hospice the day it was announced that the feeding tube was going to be removed, ie, while it was still in, and scheduled for removal, and shot her with a gun...am I commiting murder? Cause if so, it would seem that she's "alive" enough to be kept on???

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I honestly dont know how I stand on this issue, Im more for state's rights than anything, but I also see it as a moral issue..but, one thing that no one has been able to answer me: if i were to travel to Terri's hospice the day it was announced that the feeding tube was going to be removed, ie, while it was still in, and scheduled for removal, and shot her with a gun...am I commiting murder? Cause if so, it would seem that she's "alive" enough to be kept on???

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I haven't read any of the other threads, and I only opened this one because I was wondering WTF people could still be discussing.

Anyhow, shooting someone is murder, the active taking of life. Removing life support such as a breathing aparatus is allowing someone to die, passively. Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two. It is a topic complicated enought that it could not be done justice being discussed here. Read a few books on Medical Ethics.

[El Barto]

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Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two.

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If you had an infant (incapable of feeding herself), do you think you would be charged with murder if you withheld food from her until she died? Or is that a grey area too?

[moondogg]

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Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two.

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If you had an infant (incapable of feeding herself), do you think you would be charged with murder if you withheld food from her until she died? Or is that a grey area too?

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It is a topic complicated enought that it could not be done justice being discussed here. Read a few books on Medical Ethics.

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[El Barto]

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Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two.

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If you had an infant (incapable of feeding herself), do you think you would be charged with murder if you withheld food from her until she died? Or is that a grey area too?

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It is a topic complicated enought that it could not be done justice being discussed here. Read a few books on Medical Ethics.

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I guess you are saying it is a grey area, if you think you need to read books on medical ethics to decide if starving a baby is murder.

[moondogg]

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Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two.

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If you had an infant (incapable of feeding herself), do you think you would be charged with murder if you withheld food from her until she died? Or is that a grey area too?

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It is a topic complicated enought that it could not be done justice being discussed here. Read a few books on Medical Ethics.

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I guess you are saying it is a grey area, if you think you need to read books on medical ethics to decide if starving a baby is murder.

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What I am saying is that they are not necessarily the same thing, and that the quick comparisions used here do not do the topic justice. I would debate the topic further, but I do not wish to spend the next 100 hours discussing the issues involved.

[elwoodblues]

Not feeding a baby where you have a duty to do so is very different.

This case is about a competent adult person saying "Don't Feed Me." The fact that this was done through a guardian should make no difference.

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This case is about a competent adult person saying "Don't Feed Me."

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We do not know that to be true at all. It is at most hearsay evidence.

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The fact that this was done through a guardian should make no difference.

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There is a difference between what is decided/said by a person and by a person's guardian on their behalf. Anyone who is the guardian of teenage kids understands that.

[elwoodblues]

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We do not know that to be true at all. It is at most hearsay evidence.

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If we allow any evidence other than a living will to show the intent of someone in a similar situation, then it will be hearsay. If you think that we should ONLY allow living wills to speak your wishes, that's fine. Of course, that's not what the Florida legislature wanted.

Describe evidence (other than a living will) that would show Terri's intent without it being hearsay.

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Removing a feeding tube, which is essentially starving a person, is a questionable grey area between the two.

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If you had an infant (incapable of feeding herself), do you think you would be charged with murder if you withheld food from her until she died? Or is that a grey area too?

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I think anyone that cant feed themselves should die......including babies. I'm also all for this End it all