Early bet/3bet with 88 on the flop

durron597 · #1 07-20-2005, 08:32 PM

Stars $15+$1 Turbo. Very early. I don't want to invest a lot of chips without seeing if my 88 is an overpair or a set so I just complete preflop (though of course I always end up doing so). Did I get too aggressive here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter

Hero (t1470)
BB (t1580)
UTG (t1390)
MP1 (t1830)
MP2 (t3500)
CO (t1630)
Button (t2100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP2 calls t30, CO calls t30, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t120, BB folds, MP2 folds, CO raises to t300, Hero raises to t1440, CO calls t1140.

Turn: (t3000) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3000) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t3000

durron597 · #2 07-20-2005, 08:40 PM

Bump to get this thread above the non-strategy threads.

11t · #3 07-20-2005, 09:03 PM

I think this is somewhat suicidal readless.

durron597 · #4 07-20-2005, 09:08 PM

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Even in a $16? I'm gonna get called by flush draws, TPanyK... and I really don't want to give a free turn. This is definitely a fold/3 bet situation.

bigt439 · #5 07-20-2005, 10:05 PM

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Even in a $16? I'm gonna get called by flush draws, TPanyK... and I really don't want to give a free turn. This is definitely a fold/3 bet situation.

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Or a check raise on the flop to avoid this situation?

durron597 · #6 07-20-2005, 10:15 PM

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Or a check raise on the flop to avoid this situation?

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A check raise is a LOT More likely than a bet/3 bet to get people to fold... and I really don't want to call a push.

Moonsugar · #7 07-20-2005, 10:39 PM

What hands are going to fold to a c/r and not fold in this line?

What hands would push here that you would not like to call but will call your push?

What people/hands are going to fold to your flop bet but will bluff bet after you check?

bigt439 · #8 07-21-2005, 12:00 AM

Why don't you want people to fold. Your hand is not that good, you are out of position and there are alot of draws. I'm not trying to nickel and dime value with a hand this vulnerable. Let someone put some cash in the pot and then check raise and end it there. And of course you don't want to call a push. That's why you wouldn't. This way you know where you are because you're reacting to the 3rd bet where all the information is given off, not making it.

nate_king1 · #9 07-20-2005, 10:24 PM

I would have probably done the same thing.

durron597 · #10 07-20-2005, 11:17 PM

No results yet. But I want to say this. Everyone makes valid points in this thread, except I don't think this is "suicidal".

Preflop: I'm out of position, I don't mind a multiway pot with my hand so I complete.

Flop: Ok the flop comes 3 unders with a flush draw possible. Bad board to give a free card too, and I likely have the best hand, so I bet.

Ok, some folds, a raise and it folds back to me. The problem is that I don't want to give him credit for a set or overpair immediately which would make me really hate folding. Calling is OK I guess but I hate seeing any heart or overcard on the turn. There are also some straight cards I don't want to see. So that leaves raise. The problem with raising is that any bet pot commits me. So why not make it look like a bluff and push, maybe 1 pair hands will call me?

I really did my best to not overthink this hand as I am wont to do. Where is the hole in this logic?