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Old 04-21-2005, 02:43 PM
GtrHtr GtrHtr is offline
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

naw, i think AK will win in this example.


Only if I am the player holding AA
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:39 PM
Alexthegreat Alexthegreat is offline
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

Holy, weakies...Button is a LAG, so he probably has AK or worse, and the other player could easily have 99-JJ just as often as he has AA/KK, which is still less than the times he'll have AK/AQ...

I say it's an easy call, especially since you've put in 40 percent of your stack already, which I don't have a problem with, unless you fold here
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:42 PM
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

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Folds. I also really don't like the PF raise to 500. I would've been more like 2x-3x BB 100-150.

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I agree that raising to 500 is excessive, but raising 2 or 3x the BB is too small considering the size of the pot with all the limpers. I would have made it 300 to go.

Considering the size of the pot and your read on the button as a total LAG, you have to call this.
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Old 04-21-2005, 07:22 PM
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

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Hero ?????

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Folds. I also really don't like the PF raise to 500. I would've been more like 2x-3x BB 100-150. More than likely, your PF bet of 500 has caused the all in action from the other players. Look for AA and AK in their hands with AA winning.

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Raising to 100-150 is bad. The raise might be a bit overkill, but I like it, especially since you're in the SB and terrible position. And you have to call this given the description of button and how much is in the pot. Folding is very bad.
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:46 PM
hummusx hummusx is offline
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

Call.

I'd guess your move looked a lot like a steal - why else would you raise so much? 100-150 is way too low, but 250-300 would probably be fine. People with just limping hands are going to limp, and people that want to reraise are going to reraise. Then you've actually got a choice. You've got so much money in there, and the odds are gigantic, you've got to call.

Looks like there's about 3155 and you need to put in 855 to call. So 3.7:1.
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Old 04-21-2005, 02:48 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

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Hero ?????

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Hero has the button smoked 98% of the time and is getting 3.5:1 to call the BB. This shouldn't even be a post.
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Old 04-21-2005, 06:51 PM
yoadrians yoadrians is offline
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

Thanks for all the comments. I reluctantly called. The BB turned over AK, and the crazy Button turned over 77. Ugh. Button won the whole thing when he turned a 7 (BB got his A on the flop, though), and I'm done ... only to fire up another SNG. Which is fine. Cards happen. Life goes on.

The reason I posted this hand is because I was wondering about the size of my raise (which apparently was too big, and I will go more in the $300 to $350 next time). My feeling at the time was that I wasn't going to let 97 people see a flop with QQ in my hand, but looks like my action started off craziness galore.

Thanks for all of your advice. I hope you all have a nice day.
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Old 04-21-2005, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: I ended the limpfest. What now?

It seems to me that raise would still be too high. As some others were telling me this week when I asked a similar question, you're chasing out a lot of future money to be made if you raise too big. As you've seen, you also encourage all-ins.

Which I suppose might be better at the 5's than at the 10's, etc.

But you've decimated your stack by such a big raise. Once you commit that much to the pot, you have to be prepared to go all-in. You're too weak afterwards on the one hand, and your chances of making a killing will compensate you for being beat on the other.

If you don't want to bet everything on making a killing when you win but very often losing, or don't want to be crippling your stack, don't make those big preflop raises. Especially with a hand that is often beaten.
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