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#2
11-30-2004, 10:26 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
In close quarters the lion would have the edge, as he would go for the throat for the kill.
On first approach I give the edge to the bear, with the height advantage and those claws to wound the lion seriously before the lion gets his shot. The smart aggressive bear will win, the timid bear will lose. 
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11-30-2004, 03:22 PM
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Re: who would win in a fight
Some bears are much, much bigger than others(some only weight a few hundred pounts), and some bears ONLY hunt. Like polar bears. I'd give a polar bear the best chance, and believe it would be a good chance. Also, it would seem that whatever animal seizes the initiative or is already hyped up has a huge advantage.
I don't think these comparisons necessarily make all that much sense. That's kind of like saying, who will win in a boxing match, a guy with a fast jab or a guy with a killer right cross? You can have a million fights and still not come up with a definitive answer. On the man versus tiger thing, there's a story about a guy...Yamaguchi I think his name was, founder of the Goju-Ryu style. Supposedly in the second world war he was thrown in a cage with a lion or tiger, instantly gave a huge kiai shriek that stunned the cat, and came up an punched it right in the head and killed it in one blow. I can believe the cat could have been stunned and startled by the shout, and overall disoriented just by the fact that a man was charging up to him(probably not something he would think of as particularly threatening), and I'm absolutely positive an extremely highly trained karate man could kill a lion or a tiger with one all-or-nothing, your-life-depends-on-it punch to the skull. I also don't think he would have ever had a chance to launch a second punch if he didn't kill or incapacitate the cat instantly -- I don't think there could really be any "fight" to speak of, only a slaughter of any human. That's probably exactly what Yamaguchi thought, and that's why he instantly took the offensive and made shock the focal point of his survival. Karate or no, he had no chance otherwise. I also believe the story may just have been completely made up. It's from an old, extremely fun book of karate stories and history by Peter Urban, who actually did train with Yamaguchi, as I recall, back in the 40's or 50's. Either way, it makes a great story, and probably illustrated just about the only way a man would have any chance at all.
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#4
11-30-2004, 10:33 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
The bear. Bears are much bigger. Weight and size is a massive advantage. A whack from a bears paw is going to seriously f up anything that gets near it.
I read somewhere that some bored US troops tried to stage exactly this fight in Baghdad Zoo out of boredom, but that neither animal was up for it, so the question remains unanswered. OK, who would win the following: The (unarmed) ultimate martial arts master ever* who had trained for years specifically for this fight Vs. Your average tiger. * (say Bruce Lee at his peak and having trained with Royce Gracie armed with a degree in tigerology) Obviously the tiger has the weight and strength advantage, but Bruce has trained his tiger take down and guillotine choke to perfection.
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#5
11-30-2004, 11:31 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
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Bruce has trained his tiger take down and guillotine choke to perfection. [/ QUOTE ] Yea. Good luck with that. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#6
11-30-2004, 11:43 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
The reason I believe the Lion would win is because it is a natural hunter. It would stalk the bear until it found a weakness and then move in. A bear has NO adversaries except man. With the excemption of Salmon it doesn't hunt it feeds. Actually I think it would be much like a poker game. The lion would be "an ging around" until the bear made a mistake and move in. Now if you put a bear and a lion in a small cage i think the bear would win. But if you had an out door area of a square mile or so the lion would find a way. IE Doyle Brunson Lion. Andy Beel bear.
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#7
11-30-2004, 11:49 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
"A bear has NO adversaries except man."
There is a reason for that. Indeed, the reason that you never see bears and lions in the same environment is that the bears beat all the lions in fights.
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#8
11-30-2004, 11:50 AM
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Re: who would win in a fight
when i was a little kid they played some of these things that were filmed long before that when legal or no one cared. i watched the lion win easily. probably because lions kill for their food all the time. bears mostly eat plants.
kangaroos beat boxers up with both having gloves on orangatan beats human easily rhino kills lion in close quarters
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