Fool for not releasing?

PTjvs · #1 07-25-2005, 05:57 PM

Villian is a 39VPIP 9PFR% over a mere 60 hands. The pevious hand I had taken a decent pot from him with QQ vs KK. In that hand he had raised/called the 3bet preflop & bet/raised/called the cap & check/called down on a 3459T board.

Am I a fool for not folding this turn?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 7 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qh Ah (three of a kind, queens).
Hero has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 11.75 BB. 

JVS

bungyrocks · #2 07-25-2005, 06:04 PM

sure looks like he has a Q but I dont mind your call down here. If you raise the turn and fold to a 3 bet you invest the same number of bets but dont get a showdown.

L_Dude · #3 07-25-2005, 06:08 PM

What does UTG's 3-bet after his PFR mean to you? AA, KK, QQ, AQ, KQ? Much less likely JJ-TT. I don't think you have a 1 in 6.75 chance of having more than 2 outs, even with the high VPIP. I think you can fold here.

#4 07-25-2005, 06:14 PM

I think it's very clear that he has a Q here, but hey, most 2/4 players play A8s the same way.

crunchy1 · #5 07-25-2005, 06:17 PM

I think you should've lost at least 2 more BBs on the turn.

MrStretchie · #6 07-25-2005, 06:22 PM

I don't think you're a fool for it, but I think it was wrong. Given his play, there's certainly at least an 80% chance you're behind to a queen (probably AQ), or maybe 88).

TripleH68 · #7 07-25-2005, 06:23 PM

With a drawless board I might call the flop 3-bet and look to raise a good turn card.

I lean toward folding. Most players will not be 3-betting this flop without at least TP.

Edit: To say please don't include results.

MrStretchie · #8 07-25-2005, 06:25 PM

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I think you should've lost at least 2 more BBs on the turn.

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Seriously? After he raised UTG in a ten handed game, then led the turn after Hero capped the flop? This after he went passive with a QQ overpair after a capped flop? I could at least see a case for calling down, but there's no way he's got an underpair/nothing more often than a queen/AA/88 here..