I hate the min raise.

rybones · #1 03-14-2005, 10:46 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)$11 tournament

what do you think of my call on the flop and then raise on the turn? I know I like my check on the river; however, if my call and raise were good then maybe I should have bet the river? Or, if they were bad, maybe I should have bet the river? blech, I hate this hand.
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UTG (t1460)
UTG+1 (t110)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t935)
MP3 (t860)
Hero (t775)
Button (t775)
SB (t700)
BB (t785)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls t15, 1 fold, Hero calls t15, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t72.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t15, Hero calls t15, Button folds, SB calls t15, BB folds.

Turn: (t117.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 bets t15, Hero raises to t125, SB folds, MP2 calls t110.

River: (t367.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t367.50

Results in white below: 
MP2 has Ah Js (two pair, aces and threes).
Hero has Th Ts (two pair, tens and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins t367.50.

Skip Brutale · #2 03-14-2005, 10:49 PM

Fold the flop.

Colombo · #3 03-14-2005, 10:50 PM

I would have bet preflop definately. With the turn raise you are representing a 3. This probably won't work too often because the only hand you could be holding here is A3 (if you play that loose). It will be hard to bluff off an ace. River play is fine.

Benholio · #4 03-14-2005, 11:09 PM

I'll call the minbets all the way to the river in this situation. You might be ahead, and you are just about getting priced in for your 2 outs even.

Raising the turn I don't like, as you will not get called by worse hands or force out better ones.

rybones · #5 03-15-2005, 11:58 AM

I am looking for more thoughts on my play with this hand if anyone is willing.

Thanks,

Ryan

shoeman · #6 03-15-2005, 12:07 PM

First of all, min bets at the $11 tables could mean anything. So many players have no clue about folding Equity, protecting a hand, betting for value, etc. He could hold a monster or nothing at all.

Second of all, players at the $11 table will gladly call pre-flop with any Ace and lose all their chips with a weak kicker when their Ace hits the flop.

Taking these two items into account, you need to fold the flop. If the flop came Q high, I could see a raise on the turn....but once that Ace hits the flop, I'm clicking the autofold button. Don't bleed chips, even if they are only min-bets. 3-4 min bets can be the difference between having folding equity once the blinds reach 50/100 and getting called.

IMO, this is how you need to play this hand at the $11 tables. I don't have much experience playing $33 and up so it may be different there.

poboys · #7 03-15-2005, 12:09 PM

If you are going to limp with TT preflop, then you are playing for a set. You didn't hit your set, so I'd bail.

I don't see a min raise in the hand? What I am missing?

Anyway, I would never bet the turn the way you did. Your T120 gambool is only going to be called when you are beat. What do you think all of these callers are playing? Are they ALL on draws?

You are in level 1, you should be confident that you are going to get in a much better situation in the SnG.

If this was heads up, later in the tourny, and the player was weak, then I'd consider representing the A on the flop... of course, I would have raised pre-flop with TT, too.

rybones · #8 03-15-2005, 12:18 PM

On the flop and turn mp2? bet t15 (min. raised). That said, the turn raise, I agree, no good!! What is your rational for raising pf with so many limpers already in? If I raise pf with T,T at an $11 table will I push out A,x soooted in mid position? how much would you raise pf and why?

Thanks, Ryan

codewarrior · #9 03-15-2005, 12:28 PM

Raise preflop. Fold the flop.

That said, calling those little bets is great sometimes, especially when you hit the river and bet the pot.

The turn raise sucked, BTW.

poboys · #10 03-15-2005, 12:41 PM

actually, I like the way you played pf. Limping is ok with so many callers, but I would fold if I didn't hit my set. If you were trying to get heads up (or at least thin he field, I would raise (probably 3xBB+ 1BB per limper) and represent the A on the flop. This is a pretty aggressive play for Level 1, esp in a 10+1 Sng (since most players don't like to fold).

Technically, the flop bet of T15, is not a raise but just a bet (the minimum bet actually). If you bet something (say T30, and a guy min-raises you, then he raises to T60).