2 Big Omaha Hands 5/10

fimbulwinter · #1 08-08-2005, 09:11 AM

First off, I know I'm playing above my skill level here. There were two total bad players throwing a party and I wanted in.

Onto the hands:

Hand 1:
4 handed, 5/10 blinds, i have ~1.8K and am covered by the table.

Bad Lag 1 is on SB, Bad Lag 2 is on CO.

me: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

CO minraises, I call on button (SB will threebet here and CO will call ~50% of the time, and i intended to push hard after that action). SB calls, BB calls.

Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (80)

SB bets 30, all call (at this point i feel im behind, but have enough to peel. no?)

A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (200)

SB bets 200, i 800, he calls

K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (1800)

SB bets 800, I call

Hand 2:
I (4K) have AA88r on the button and raise into the blinds, both call (BB who covers me is very good NLHE player).

J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (105)

BB leads for 105, I make it 400, He makes it 1200...

threebet is an easy fold, right?

fim

autobet · #2 08-08-2005, 10:45 AM

Your choices on the flop are between calling and raising. You have an overpair, gut shot, and backdoor nut heart draw. This is not a naked flush draw. Sometimes call, sometimes raise.

If my math is correct you have a few bucks left. Go ahead and raise. He wont show you a straight flush often enough to make the play wrong.

Not an easy fold at all. You are a favorite against trip jacks. An aggressive player might reraise with three kickers above the eight. You also have AA which may be blocking two of your opps outs. I'm not saying you should call, but it's a long way from a routine fold.

BluffTHIS! · #3 08-08-2005, 11:12 AM

Hand #1 I play the same. Hand #2 push headsup and fold if it's 3 way.

fimbulwinter · #4 08-08-2005, 11:13 AM

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Your choices on the flop are between calling and raising. You have an overpair, gut shot, and backdoor nut heart draw. This is not a naked flush draw. Sometimes call, sometimes raise.

If my math is correct you have a few bucks left. Go ahead and raise. He wont show you a straight flush often enough to make the play wrong.

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yeah, that was my question. thanks for the response.

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Not an easy fold at all. You are a favorite against trip jacks. An aggressive player might reraise with three kickers above the eight. You also have AA which may be blocking two of your opps outs. I'm not saying you should call, but it's a long way from a routine fold.

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the situation is all-in or fold here right?

fim

autobet · #5 08-08-2005, 11:45 AM

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the situation is all-in or fold here right?

fim

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Yes, I think calling is the worst of the three options.

BluffTHIS! · #6 08-08-2005, 10:55 PM

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the situation is all-in or fold here right?

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All-in takes away the bluffing initiative from an opponent who might not fill but will continue to represent it. You want to make the decision on the flop not a later street since you are already full and have only 1 out to improve.

TheRempel · #7 08-08-2005, 11:01 PM

Hand 1 is standard. Hand 2 I would be more inclined to raise here than to fold as your opponent is going to be pushing back at you with a naked jack way more often than J8. Your flop bet looks like a simple continuation bet with AA You are going to lose after the flop a good deal of the time but you're still a decent favorite unless you're already beat. If you're really lucky, he's pushing back with something like KcQ9Tc.

fimbulwinter · #8 08-08-2005, 11:28 PM

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Hand 1 is standard. Hand 2 I would be more inclined to raise here than to fold as your opponent is going to be pushing back at you with a naked jack way more often than J8. Your flop bet looks like a simple continuation bet with AA You are going to lose after the flop a good deal of the time but you're still a decent favorite unless you're already beat. If you're really lucky, he's pushing back with something like KcQ9Tc.

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I really don't think im lucky enough to be seeing a draw here given the fact that the guy is a solid HE player and had been pretty tight with his chips thus far.

I was thinking about this hand, and against a holding i'd like to see like AKQJ im ahead but not by a lot. if he rolls J8xx or JJxx (his actual hand BTW) i'm shoveling in 400BB drawing essentially dead. such a situation in HE is a classic fold. I think it is here too.

ah well, live and learn.

fim

TheRempel · #9 08-08-2005, 11:59 PM

Like I said, most of the time you're ahead but not by much. Some of the time you run into J8 or JJ. I don't mind variance and am inclined to get all in on the flop against all but two or three of the players I routinely play against.

Eaglesfan1 · #10 08-09-2005, 03:50 AM

I'm no PLO expert but i'll voice my thoughts anyway.

Hand #1-play it the same except raise the river since you don't have much more, just call if you do have a lot more behind. I like just calling the flop considering your up against the resident moron LAGs.

Hand #2-tough but the ultimate deciding factor is how deep the chip stacks and they are pretty damn deep in this example. Your in for 400 you can get away now or risk 4,000 against a solid player who I assume is one of the regulars at there NLHE 10/20. Don't see a problem with the fold.