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Old 12-06-2003, 05:16 PM
Jezebel Jezebel is offline
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Default Question about Risk of Ruin

If I calculate the Risk of Ruin (with formulas provided in the past by BruceZ) and figure that my 300BB bankroll has a .5% risk of ruin, then I can assume that there is only a .5% shot that my bankroll will go bust from normal fluctuations. However, lets say that I have a bad run only due to fluctuations not bad play and lose 150 bb. Now I figure my RoR lets say to be 15%. Assuming the game conditions have not changed and I'm still playing optimally, do I still have only a .5% shot of losing my whole roll?

Edit: I think I answered my own question with a little additional thought. Can I assume that with my winrate and SD I have only a .5% chance to lose 300bb, but a 15% chance to lose 150bb?

These aren't my numbers, I was just daydreaming and was wondering how the whole RoR works.
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Old 12-06-2003, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Question about Risk of Ruin

Assuming that your risk of ruin were truly 0.5% for your
initial bankroll, once your bankroll is halved, your risk
of ruin (given the same game conditions, i.e., same SD and
win rate) should now be exp(ln(0.005)/2) = 0.0707 or about
7.07%.

Using the formula B = -exp (-sigma**2/(2*mu)) * ln(r), in
general, if the risk of ruin is initially r for the bankroll
of size B and then for some reason it is reduced to aB where
0<a<1, the new risk of ruin is then exp(a ln(r)).
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Old 12-06-2003, 06:23 PM
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Default Re: Question about Risk of Ruin

I think you already know the answer but think of it like this.

You have A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB of a NL tourney and the button goes all-in which you happily call. He shows A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

This is essentially where you are with a big bankroll

Flop comes T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

This is where you are after a bad losing streak.
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Old 12-08-2003, 07:35 PM
bigpooch bigpooch is offline
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Default Re: Question about Risk of Ruin

By the way, that last expression is just r**a and will
apply as long as a>0 (a may also be >=1) and seems to be
intuitively clear, for example, when a=2.
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Old 12-10-2003, 02:07 PM
SevenStuda SevenStuda is offline
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Default Re: Question about Risk of Ruin

Consult Sklansky & Malmuths bankroll tool in Stat King.
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