I think I am too aggressive on the flop (1/2 6 max)

dethgrind · #1 09-12-2005, 07:31 PM

If I'm the preflop raiser, which seems to be most of the time I see a flop, my default play is to bet or raise unless I have a specific reason not to. I think I need to get better at finding those reasons.

Here are four hands out of my last 100. If you bet or raise, what do you do if you get raised or reraised?

Party Poker 1/2 6 max Hold'em
Converted w/ PonksSaver: http://www.pokermentor.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=510

- - - HAND 1- - -
PreFlop: HERO is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
HERO raises, 2 folds, BB calls,

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets, HERO ???

- - - HAND 2- - -
PreFlop: HERO is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
1 fold, HERO raises, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds,

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
HERO ???

- - - HAND 3- - -
PreFlop: HERO is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
1 fold, SB raises, HERO calls,

Flop: (4.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets, HERO ???

- - - HAND 4- - -
PreFlop: HERO is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
1 fold, HERO raises, 1 fold, BB calls,

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, HERO ???

Aaron W. · #2 09-12-2005, 08:12 PM

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If I'm the preflop raiser, which seems to be most of the time I see a flop, my default play is to bet or raise unless I have a specific reason not to.

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Can you elaborate on this? What are you looking for to tell you not to bet/raise?

#3 09-12-2005, 08:30 PM

I definitely would not raise with K8s UTG, way too easially dominated

Isura · #4 09-12-2005, 08:35 PM

You need reads to play all these hands properly.

Hand 1: I might peel, or fold. Raising is only against ultra lag opponents who will bet with anything if they think you don't have a pair.

Hand 2: Position sucks, but flop usually misses villain. Bet.

Hand 3: This is why I like 3-betting here against a normal SB (ie sb raises enough), takes control of the hand and makes it easier to play. But I fold the flop in your hand.

Hand 4: Really obvious continuation bet (without a read). Betting is correct against most opponents even with a read.

Isura · #5 09-12-2005, 08:36 PM

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I definitely would not raise with K8s UTG, way too easially dominated

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He's in the CO (4-handed game). It's a 4-handed game. Domination is not very important short-handed (especially when you are opening the pot). And, the hand was K9s not K8s. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

kirkt · #6 09-12-2005, 08:53 PM

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If I'm the preflop raiser, which seems to be most of the time I see a flop, my default play is to bet or raise unless I have a specific reason not to. I think I need to get better at finding those reasons.

Here are four hands out of my last 100. If you bet or raise, what do you do if you get raised or reraised?

Party Poker 1/2 6 max Hold'em
Converted w/ PonksSaver: http://www.pokermentor.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=510

- - - HAND 1- - -
PreFlop: HERO is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
HERO raises, 2 folds, BB calls,

Flop: (4.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB bets, HERO ???

- - - HAND 2- - -
PreFlop: HERO is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
1 fold, HERO raises, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds,

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
HERO ???

- - - HAND 3- - -
PreFlop: HERO is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
1 fold, SB raises, HERO calls,

Flop: (4.00 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets, HERO ???

- - - HAND 4- - -
PreFlop: HERO is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
1 fold, HERO raises, 1 fold, BB calls,

Flop: (4.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, HERO ???

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1: Fold/call a weak or overly aggressive player
2:bet/fold
3:Fold. Three betting preflop is worth a thought.
4: bet/fold

These are pretty standard I think.

stuartharris · #7 09-12-2005, 09:01 PM

I'd bet 2 and 4 just because you are heads up, have initiative, and could very well win right here. 1 and 3 are easy folds for me, especially #3 with the preflop raiser betting again.

aK13 · #8 09-12-2005, 09:06 PM

1. fold preflop, fold flop (I raise KTs+)
2. Bet flop.
3. Fold or 3bet preflop (I lean toward fold), fold flop.
4. Bet flop.

Isura · #9 09-12-2005, 09:12 PM

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1. fold preflop, fold flop (I raise KTs+)
2. Bet flop.
3. Fold or 3bet preflop (I lean toward fold), fold flop.
4. Bet flop.

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Hand 3: So you are consistently folding A5o in the big blind vs the small blind in a 3-handed poker game?

milesdyson · #10 09-12-2005, 09:14 PM

in a nutshell

1: fold
2: bet
3: fold (raise or fold preflop)
4: bet

1, 2, and 4 are played fine preflop. some of you have no idea if you fold K9s utg 4 handed...