Problem playing JJ / QQ (2 Hands)

Dafoe · #1 03-19-2005, 08:41 PM

I am really having trouble playing the high pocket pairs. Tonight especially has seen all my high pocket pairs crushed by bad beats or folded to bad flops. Could I have played these better?
Thanks D-

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

MP2 (t725)
MP3 (t895)
CO (t1065)
Button (t775)
SB (t1130)
BB (t225)
Hero (t785)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t45, 4 folds, MP3 calls t45, 2 folds, SB calls t35, 1 fold.

Flop: (t147.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets t15, Hero raises to t75, MP3 folds, SB calls t60.

Turn: (t297.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t15, Hero calls t15.

River: (t327.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t300, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t627.50

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

MP2 (t1075)
MP3 (t720)
CO (t1560)
Button (t415)
SB (t745)
Hero (t550)
UTG (t880)
UTG+1 (t1345)
MP1 (t710)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t50, 4 folds, SB raises to t100, Hero raises to t250, MP1 folds, SB calls t150.

Flop: (t550) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t495(all-in), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t550

ZebraAss · #2 03-19-2005, 09:08 PM

#1. Limp or up that raise. I think SB is betting 15 in the weak attempt for you to make another move on the turn so he can go over the top whether he caught the A or hit the flop. Good fold.

#2. Raise more(I bet/raise a higher chip # then the average player). And I am sorry to say he probably has something like KQos. Good fold

Elem100 · #3 03-19-2005, 09:13 PM

Im sure everyone will say this, but flop on hand 1, thats a weak raise if I saw it in a game I'd pounce on it with or without cards. Raise a decent amount (like to 100 at least), then if he calls you know you're beat.

Everything else is perfect, just bad luck. You're clearly beaten in both after good bets and you lost the minimum.

yanicehand · #4 03-19-2005, 09:53 PM

hand 1: utg with a hand like jacks, I feel reaaaaal gross about raising. I may do it, but I sure wouldn't like it. I think I prefer a limp here, then you can decide whether or not to reraise (if the pot is raised) and thin the field. Alternatively, if you do want to raise, make it a hard and large raise to thin things out. Regardless, narrowing it down is my basic strategy here, as you can tell. oh, but good fold.

hand 2: good fold.

lastchance · #5 03-19-2005, 11:38 PM

You have only t550 in hand 2. There's t250 in the pot. I can't believe others are saying you played well that hand, because you've GOT to push. You can't NOT push. You've got to move in. Raising to t250 when you have t550 is absolutely horrible because of what happens like that. Not pushing there is horribly weak-tight and bad. I'm repeating myself because thinking about not pushing is horrible.

As for hand 1, I'd raise to about t100 on the flop. You could make t60 to go preflop, but it's fine.

ZebraAss · #6 03-19-2005, 11:42 PM

I didn’t see that he had 550. Disregard recommendation information on hand #2 for posts 2-4.

Dafoe · #7 03-20-2005, 12:57 AM

Yeah, good point - I think at the time I was tryin to keep the raiser in the hand hoping for an all-unders flop. Looking back, pushing does seem to be the better move.
thanks guys
D-

lastchance · #8 03-20-2005, 01:21 AM

Kings and Aces flop a lot more, and remember, this isn't a cash game. Getting paid off is worth a lot less in tourneys.

curtains · #9 03-20-2005, 01:47 AM

In hand 2 you should move allin preflop. When your opponent bets allin on the flop you MUST call. You are pot committed and they won't have a king reasonably often. It's terrible poker to put in such a large % of your stack as you did, and then fold when you have a decent chance of winning.

Hand 1 is weird. I never know what it means when some low limit player bets the minimum on the flop, gets raised and then comes out betting the minimum again on the turn. You could consider raising (not too large a raise however) again on the turn to get a cheap showdown, and then folding to a reraise. However I think calling is okay, mainly because I expect them to make another puny bet on the river so I can find out cheaply if my hand is good. I guess this would have been a faulty expectation in this case.