Calling allin from mp with 84s

shejk · #1 05-22-2005, 05:21 PM

***** Hand History for Game 2089055186 *****
NL Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Trny:12434558 Level:6 Blinds(150/300) - Sunday, May 22, 17:15:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 35332 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: WSUbobcat ( $2075 )
Seat 3: shum37 ( $1335 )
Seat 6: DallinJ ( $1940 )
Seat 7: yggse408 ( $550 )
Seat 9: LACardzPlaya ( $4100 )
Trny:12434558 Level:6
Blinds(150/300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to yggse408 [ 4h 8h ]
DallinJ raises [600].
yggse408 is all-In [550]
LACardzPlaya folds.
WSUbobcat folds.
shum37 folds.

NYCNative · #2 05-22-2005, 05:35 PM

I probably wait until I can dictate the action. You have one more hand - how can it be worse than this?

That said, you probably have two live cards and can win 34-40% of the time against two overs. Being short-stacked with 2BB left, that's about as good as it gets.

Still, I wait. I'll bet you catch better than 84s and you can dictate the all-in rather than call off your chips into a raiser.

shejk · #3 05-22-2005, 05:49 PM

It is quite likely that noone else calls, which is why I call. I will get better pot odds now than later.

microbet · #4 05-22-2005, 05:50 PM

No one else calling gives you worse pot odds.

holdem2000 · #5 05-22-2005, 05:55 PM

No one else calling gives him 450 posted in blinds in addition to his double up with only one hand to beat. If he waits a hand, pushes utg and only gets called by the BB, he still only has one hand to beat but only 150 additional blind chips.

microbet · #6 05-22-2005, 08:50 PM

Yes, no one else calling gives him better odds of winning the hand, but worse pot odds.

I still fold.

Bigwig · #7 05-22-2005, 08:55 PM

[ QUOTE ]
It is quite likely that noone else calls

[/ QUOTE ]

You sure about that? The raise is a mini. I understand the idea of getting protection from an earlier raiser when your fold equity is gone, but I want something to play with here. J9s, K4o. Anything. 84s is nothing. The odds are overwhelming that at best you're 2-1 dog.

NYCNative · #8 05-22-2005, 08:59 PM

[ QUOTE ]
It is quite likely that noone else calls

[/ QUOTE ]BB should call no matter what he has. It's only 300 more into an 1900 pot that he's already in for 300. Even if he figures himself at only about a 15% shot to win it, it's still a smart move to call, I believe.

microbet · #9 05-22-2005, 05:49 PM

Why?

This post and the one about folding AA have to be put into a particle accelerator and smashed into each other.

Newt_Buggs · #10 05-22-2005, 05:50 PM

At first I could not figure why you would ever do this, but I think that I'm starting to see it now. I think a major factor is your read on UTG. running into a big pocket here would be very bad, but otherwise this could be a good play that I would have never even considered.