Two Hands: Call the All-In? Push?

[Nick B.]

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I ran it putting the 2 bigger stacks on tis range range: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+

And I put the shorter stacks on the following range:

22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs


Using these parameters it's +.4% EV (Which in my opinion is an unforgivable amount to give up on the bubble with high blinds). Of course you can say my calling ranges are too tight, or that eastbay's program is somehow flawed here, but I just don't believe it. I can see no serious argument for folding a hand that is +chip EV, and also seemingly +EV against all but the loosest opponents and with over 1/3rd of your stack likely going to the blinds in a few hands.

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I don't have eastbay's program, and I can't give you a bunch of numbers proving my stance. I just know I would fold this hand in my game. Put a 2bb stack in the BB and I would probably push. I also think your range of hands that will call is too loose.

[EasilyFound]

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I ran it putting the 2 bigger stacks on tis range range: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+

And I put the shorter stacks on the following range:

22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs


Using these parameters it's +.4% EV (Which in my opinion is an unforgivable amount to give up on the bubble with high blinds). Of course you can say my calling ranges are too tight, or that eastbay's program is somehow flawed here, but I just don't believe it. I can see no serious argument for folding a hand that is +chip EV, and also seemingly +EV against all but the loosest opponents and with over 1/3rd of your stack likely going to the blinds in a few hands.

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These numbers are for hand 2? or both, somehow? i'm confused.

[TruFloridaGator]

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I ran it putting the 2 bigger stacks on tis range range: 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+

And I put the shorter stacks on the following range:

22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs


Using these parameters it's +.4% EV (Which in my opinion is an unforgivable amount to give up on the bubble with high blinds). Of course you can say my calling ranges are too tight, or that eastbay's program is somehow flawed here, but I just don't believe it. I can see no serious argument for folding a hand that is +chip EV, and also seemingly +EV against all but the loosest opponents and with over 1/3rd of your stack likely going to the blinds in a few hands.

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I don't have eastbay's program, and I can't give you a bunch of numbers proving my stance. I just know I would fold this hand in my game. Put a 2bb stack in the BB and I would probably push. I also think your range of hands that will call is too loose.

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Huh? You want the FE, that's the whole point.

[curtains]

I made my range of hands that would call too loose so there would be less doubt. Obviously if they are tighter the EV you gain is much higher. Why would you want the BB to have less chips when you push, thus making it a lot more likely they will call?

[valenzuela]

Hand 1 is a fold IMO, ppl dont know how to steal blinds in the 11s so I doubt he has A6( he would limp with A6, this isnt sarcasm btw its an actual fact).
Hand 2 is a very easy push, u have an ace which is a monster with the gap and less than 5xx the BB. Position might be a bit eeky however but A6 far overcompensates that.

[EasilyFound]

Many thanks to all of you who took the time to post, great information.

BTW, I folded hand #1 and pushed hand #2.

Cheers.

[kiffl]

I call in hand #1 and push in hand #2.