Cards at Party versus Brick & Mortar

[WordWhiz]

How's this for anecdotal evidence. I've played more than 50,000 hands on-line. I've played in a B&M casino twice in my life for a total of less than 10 hours--no more than a few hundred hands.

In my second session ever at a B&M, in the first orbit, we had a straight flush losing to a royal flush. I've never seen that on-line. Obviously, B&M's are rigged.

Oh, and I got a sweet $250 bonus just for sitting at the table when the Bad Beat jackpot hit!

[MicroBob]

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as far as i can figure the only way that they could rig a site to keep fish playing longer would be to actually have their software analyze and reward poor poker play, now even if this isn't too complicated a process to be feasible, i don't see any way for this not to directly result in good play being penalized so that someone able to exercise hypothetical perfect table selection (i.e. a table with just them and 9 "fish") would be a consistent loser since the site is rigged to help the "fish"


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nice post and mostly some of the same stuff I've been saying for awhile naturally.

As I've reported before...the number of people on the PPM cruise constantly discussing how 'funny' the cards are at Party was incredible.

I really didn't bother arguing with any of them (and mostly tried to ignore and/or avoid them) but it was kind of hard to get away from.
If someone DID ask me what I thought I would possibly just say that I didn't agree and try to leave it at that.

I had different people giving me various reasons why party would or would not want to set up the cards for me to win at the tables.

-- scenario A - they want me to win because I'm a high-volume player and they want me to continue paying rake

-- scenario B - they are going to set it so that i lose because party doesn't like winners and they know I will come back anyway to give deposit more money...so I'm the type of guy they want to rig the game against.


and various other ideas as to how they would generate more or less money by keeping me in..or getting me out of the game.


FWIW - if Party wanted to rig the deal at 15/30 or higher I think it would be MORE profitable to set it so that there were FEWER 'action' flops (many conspiracy types argue that there are more high-card or straight-flush draw type flops on Party then in live games).
If the site had fewer action flops they would get through the hand FASTER and would likely STILL pull in their max-rake of $3.
I truly think their rake at 15/30 would be MORE profitable if they dealt more rag/dead flops.

Big pots just help the various players shuffle more money back and forth across the table while taking LONGER to do it.
Small pots at 15/30 still generate the max-rake but you get more hands in.


I don't believe they purposefully deal dead-flops of course.
But if they wanted to generate more profit on their 15/30 tables then the argument that it's somehow set to deal more 'action' flops is incorrect because it would actually HURT their profits.

[benfranklin]

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OMG THOSE ARE THE BEST EXAMPLE EVER!!!!

A scam site and a bunch of people who suck at poker. They are the truth!

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Don't tap on the fish tank.

[DeadMoneyOC]

Its also interesting that you play 3 times as many hand online. I would sure like to hope you see 'bigger' hands. BTW very first hand of my last live session a couple weeks ago I saw a Ace high flush lose to a straight flush. Or what about the time when my KQ was up against KK on a KQQ board and the river came....Q!

[theben]

As a result of your extensive experience in online poker and your personal intellectual prowess, i believe you clearly proven to all 2+2ers that partypoker is rigged. congrats!

[BarronVangorToth]

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Not to sound conspiratorial,


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Not to sound offensive, but how many people knew most of what the post would say from the subject heading alone, nevermind this lead in...?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[OrangeKing]

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Unfortunately I don't know how to write SQL.

Also, there would be more people with comments here like these, if the people here were not so condescending.

I may just have experienced an anomoly of data. However, I see things like:

web page

and

http://homepokergames.com/party.php

And, it just raises additional questions to what I have seen.

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You've linked to a site where some idiots made idiotic comments, and another that is a complete scam. What is your point?

Edit: By the way, PartyPokerCracked is one of the most hilarious ebooks of all time. Just try to figure out if you're on the WLLLLLLW or WLLLLLLLLW or the WLLLLLW or the WLLLLLLLLLLW or WLLLLLLLLLW cycle, and you can't lose!

[BarronVangorToth]

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Oh, and I got a sweet $250 bonus just for sitting at the table when the Bad Beat jackpot hit!

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That's why I love Tunica: 100% of my trips there (1) I have been at the table where the BBJ hit. Obviously, this means all future trips will be the same. Go-go gadget Goldstrike.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[JonPKibble]

I've bought 100 lottery tickets and never won, so I think that's rigged too

[poker327]

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NJ Casino Commission is watching things

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The only thing I saw the NJ Casino Commission watching is golf on TV. One of the commissioners was in the poker room, and instead of walking around the room watching games, he was staring at the TV. Those are patronage jobs to reward supporters of the governor.

One time in Borgata I saw a guy got screwed out of a pot because he didn't lay his cards on the table properly, and he was told the camera didn't pick up the action so he was out of luck. A regular later told me that games in the main room (not in the high limit room) don't always have the cameras focused on them. If the casino isn't even watching some of the time (they don't care as much for watching poker as it is not that money), you can be sure the CCC isn't watching either.