Forgive me for asking but limped to you in SB w/ AJo

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I think this is a fairly accurate range, given that the BB will rarely be folding here.

Hand 1: 15.9763 % 14.80% 01.18% { TT-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, AJo-A2o, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 15.9749 % 14.80% 01.18% { TT-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, AJo-A2o, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 3: 15.9467 % 14.76% 01.19% { TT-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, AJo-A2o, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 15.9508 % 14.77% 01.18% { TT-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J6s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, AJo-A2o, K6o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 5: 21.3427 % 19.78% 01.56% { AJo }
Hand 6: 14.8086 % 14.02% 00.79% { random }

That handrange is approximately the top 40.6% of hands, minus the typical ranging hands. That means these limpers are fairly loose passive -- the typical sort -- probably around a 46/5 overall if I had to guess.

And all I really want to say about the "easy raise" dogma here is that there's more to life than preflop equity, and this is one case where I find that to be especially true. The same can be said for raising/not raising KQo (22% equity, slightly higher than AJo here), QJs (22.75% equity, higher than AJo), 77 (20.6%), etc.

KJo and A9o also have edges here, as does A5s, and I don't see the choruses coming out with "easy raise" when people complete with those.

Rob

[sammy_g]

Actually I would say these guys' defending range is much looser than mine, particularly out of the small blind. This can account for a lot of the 40% in a 5- or 6-handed game.

I see a lot of limping with AQ- and AK-type hands from players with a very low PFR, even if those hands are top 5%. Take that for what it is worth.

Generally the loose players add suited hands that can improve to big hands instead of offsuit trash in my experience.

Also I think it's a mistake to assume that all of your opponents are this loose, even if some are.

The pokerstove analysis is convincing, but I think it leaves out the impact of forcing fish to make bad choices post flop.

It's the same argument SSH has about waiting until the turn to raise. Yes, you give up some EV on the flop by not raising, but you gain even more EV on the turn raise. I think ATo/AJo are good hands for this type of tradeoff preflop when you're faced with lots of limpers and acting out of position.

That said though, baron's pokerstove numbers make it pretty clear the only truly bad choice is folding.

[baronzeus]

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Generally the loose players add suited hands that can improve to big hands instead of offsuit trash in my experience.

Also I think it's a mistake to assume that all of your opponents are this loose, even if some are.

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These were both in my thoughts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] we are on te same page.

As for 1) I could add more suited hands but I don't imagine your equity will change much.

As for 2) I can't do much about this without reads. And I think that on average, players are VPIP 40 at this level, so that's the best I can do here. Some will be tighter, some will be looser, but there's no way for me to tell.

[whodaman]

i raise,,,, we have the best hand...

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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So this would be an easy raise with KQo too?

Haupt_234

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not easy, but i prolly still raise it. this is assuming outplay your opponents post flop. KQs is an easy raise.