Newbie question on counting outs (low content)

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Hey bro,

Firstly - Reverse Implied Odds, This is the term when you might be in the lead now, But in the future the betting and cards to come could screw you.

meaning the future bets... Cost you.

As with a flush draw to nuts, say vs two calling stations you river flush and will raise. well on the turn you now assume you'll get 4extra bets (2from them firstly, Then 2once you raise and they call and you win).

Well reverse of this would be THEM GETTING BETS OFF YOU, when they kick your ass you see?

So implied = Bets we may make up so we add.
But the reverse of this would be bets we LOSE in the future.

Please see SSH Page 33-34.

Being Reverse dominates is as already described but see pages 54-55


Counting outs in general,

Overcards: 1.5 outs,
BD flush/Straights(1gap): 1.5 each

Theres also 2gap straights, but to be honest they are pretty crap and i don't bother with them.

You'll get a better idea as you gain experience. If we have two overcard e.g.

AKs on a 824board HEADS UP, Villan we know(the dealer told us) has 87o.

We would have 6clean outs to the A/K and maybe a BDFD if theres a suited card on the deck.

But if the dealer didn't tell us and he bets, maybe he holds A8/K8... Now we're not sure if he has A8... or K8.

So we have 3outs to the aces,
We have 3outs to the Kings.

Now we don't know which we has so we assume we have 3outs of one of the cards and conclude WE HAVE 3OUTS.

But if we go back to overcards being 1.5outs, and we have 2 of them ... its also 3outs... So we just saved ourself time by assuming 1.5outs. You see?

This doesn't ALWAYS save us from being reversed dominated however because if we spike a ace Vs A8... we will usually bet like mad with our TPTK... And when we get 3bet call down etc(Of course situation dependant i.e. texture, villan etc).

However it can help.
Catch you on msn bro.

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VERY NICE HAND.

thanks a lot for that clear explanation bro.

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That's a good link but how does it relate to out counting?

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That's a good link but how does it relate to out counting?

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LOL yeah good point !! [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]