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#21
07-22-2005, 02:51 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1: Insta. Slowrolling is for nubs. Wait. You are asking how long you should take before calling right? NO? You're asking IF you should call? I put villain on AK here a vast majority of the time. You said you HAVEN'T LRR yet. I can't see a push here with AA. [/ QUOTE ] you guys see a solid player shoving 300+ bb's in the middle in a massive pot overbet with AK? I'm not saying that this is AA all the time, but I think the call, long term, is very close EV wise and I really don't think he plays AK this way. fim [/ QUOTE ] I think you're the small blind, and you're holding aces. I'd absolutely do this with aces. Some of my biggest pots have been won this way. 
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#22
07-22-2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] Hand 1: Insta. Slowrolling is for nubs. Wait. You are asking how long you should take before calling right? NO? You're asking IF you should call? I put villain on AK here a vast majority of the time. You said you HAVEN'T LRR yet. I can't see a push here with AA. [/ QUOTE ] you guys see a solid player shoving 300+ bb's in the middle in a massive pot overbet with AK? I'm not saying that this is AA all the time, but I think the call, long term, is very close EV wise and I really don't think he plays AK this way. fim [/ QUOTE ] I was thinking about this some more and I am starting to lean towards him having AA most of the time. I am assuming he probably views you as good, since you both have deep stacks and good stats and probably have been playing together for a while. If he just want's to isolate the bad lag for his stack he should realize that you would fold your marginal holdings to a bet of about ~300 - 500 as a squeeze as oppossed to the all in no? He of course can't put you on KK here (unless he has the new delta gamma V8.34 patter mapper [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]) but he can't rule it out completey. Why the heck would he move all in with a deep stack behind him left to act. He may have just said F it, I don't want to play this AA oop against a good player I'll just shove it in and win a quick ~300 off the bad LAG, plus he may get luck and have you pick up a hand that might try and "pick-off" his isolation raise.
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#23
07-22-2005, 02:59 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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He may have just said F it, I don't want to play this AA oop against a good player I'll just shove it in and win a quick ~300 off the bad LAG. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly what i'd be thinking if I were in his shoes and had aces... fim
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#24
07-22-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] He may have just said F it, I don't want to play this AA oop against a good player I'll just shove it in and win a quick ~300 off the bad LAG. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly what i'd be thinking if I were in his shoes and had aces... fim [/ QUOTE ] I really don't see this. If that were his thought process, he should make it $100 straight and give the LAG a chance to come over the top. You don't make money by asking maniacs to CALL. You challenge them and entice them to BET. And that should be enough to force out the good player, too.
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#25
07-22-2005, 03:21 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He may have just said F it, I don't want to play this AA oop against a good player I'll just shove it in and win a quick ~300 off the bad LAG. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly what i'd be thinking if I were in his shoes and had aces... fim [/ QUOTE ] I really don't see this. If that were his thought process, he should make it $100 straight and give the LAG a chance to come over the top. You don't make money by asking maniacs to CALL. You challenge them and entice them to BET. And that should be enough to force out the good player, too. [/ QUOTE ] you think a solid player is dying to create a 75 BB pot out of position against two loose players while essentially giving his hand away for 20BB's? I don't. fim
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#26
07-22-2005, 03:26 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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you guys see a solid player shoving 300+ bb's in the middle in a massive pot overbet with AK? I'm not saying that this is AA all the time, but I think the call, long term, is very close EV wise and I really don't think he plays AK this way. [/ QUOTE ] I hope you don't think I'm being a pedant, but you didn't say he was solid you just said he was tricky. I think the tricky aspect should lean you towards calling and the solid aspect (obviously) towards folding (hence my earlier reply).
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#27
07-22-2005, 03:30 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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I hope you don't think I'm being a pedant, but you didn't say he was solid you just said he was tricky. [/ QUOTE ] nuh uh. (check OP) fim
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#28
07-22-2005, 03:31 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He may have just said F it, I don't want to play this AA oop against a good player I'll just shove it in and win a quick ~300 off the bad LAG. [/ QUOTE ] This is exactly what i'd be thinking if I were in his shoes and had aces... fim [/ QUOTE ] I really don't see this. If that were his thought process, he should make it $100 straight and give the LAG a chance to come over the top. You don't make money by asking maniacs to CALL. You challenge them and entice them to BET. And that should be enough to force out the good player, too. [/ QUOTE ] you think a solid player is dying to create a 75 BB pot out of position against two loose players while essentially giving his hand away for 20BB's? I don't. fim [/ QUOTE ] If he raises to $100 and shows you his AA, do you call?
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#29
07-22-2005, 03:33 PM
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hand 1 results:
him and the LAG got it in, lag had 88, SB had KK.
still undecided on this one. only thing im convinced of is that it's not an easy choice and has huge variance. fim
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#30
07-22-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: End of Day A8s and KK hands PP 2/4 6max
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[ QUOTE ] I hope you don't think I'm being a pedant, but you didn't say he was solid you just said he was tricky. [/ QUOTE ] nuh uh. (check OP) fim [/ QUOTE ] Ooops my apologies... I read... [ QUOTE ] ...lag makes it 25, one call, solid (29/14), tricky SB (1300) pushes... [/ QUOTE ] ...as: LAG makes it 25, one call by a solid 29/14, and then the tricky SB raises... my bad, sry.
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