KQo

[Ulysses]

stripsqueez hit on the reason for this blunder. I hadn't played in the cardroom in a few weeks but have been playing lots of Party 6max. That's why I 3-bet w/ what should have been a simple fold. It was really an instinctive 3-bet, but as soon a I did it, it just felt wrong. And a second later, it hit me - this isn't Party 6-max.

Anyway, I bet the turn. SB called. PFR checkraised. I called. SB folded.

River, of course, was a King. PFR check-called w/ his AT.

[daryn]

my guess is he's used to playing those 6 max 15-30's where you wouldn't hesitate for a second to 3 bet KQo

[stripsqueez]

River, of course, was a King. PFR check-called w/ his AT.

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i'm glad you remembered to feel bad about this blunder - next time your A10 flops KQJ tip the dealer extra

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[mikelow]

But I think folding KQoff preflop is a bit too tight for this game.

[andyfox]

Did you still put him on A-K when he checked-raised the turn? I'd have to put him on A-T or a set.

I'm pretty sure I'd have folded.

[Ulysses]

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Did you still put him on A-K when he checked-raised the turn? I'd have to put him on A-T or a set.

I'm pretty sure I'd have folded.

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I put him on exactly AT on the turn.

There's a 5-bet cap here and SB has called 3 already. He would have re-raised me pre-flop w/ QQ or KK (though he sometimes might just call w/ AA). There's a small chance he has JJ or QK, but because of my 3-bet pre-flop, he'd be very wary of me having QQ or KK.

Anyway, I'm getting 13-1 (I think that's right) on my turn call with my 4-outer. I expect SB to call the raise. I'm sure I'll get one or two more bets if I hit. Seems like a call to me.

[J.A.Sucker]

I think that 3 betting with the KQo in a 6 max game isn't even a standard play. It's close, believe it or not, since people will over-defend their blinds and you will have to hit to win (plus you may be in deep kimchee). Added to the fact that you will have lots of tricky decisions on the turn in these games, and KQ just isn't that awesome. While you should be 3 betting it sometimes in these shorthanded games, doing so routinely may not be so great.

Of course, in a full game of any sort, this 3 bet is a recipe for disaster as I told you earlier, except for you, since you always seem to suck out [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[andyfox]

Wasn't it likely the sb had one or more of your out cards?

[Ulysses]

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I think that 3 betting with the KQo in a 6 max game isn't even a standard play.

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If it's not, I find a different 6-max game.

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Added to the fact that you will have lots of tricky decisions on the turn in these games

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If I have a lot of tricky turn decisions, I find a different 6-max game.

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and KQ just isn't that awesome.

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If KQ isn't awesome, I find a different 6-max game.

[Ulysses]

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Wasn't it likely the sb had one or more of your out cards?

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It was impossible that SB had more than one of my out cards. Absolutely no way he has QQ, KK, or KQ. In retrospect (since he folded), he probably had either a King or a Queen (though he might have had AJ). But my read on him up to that point was simply "He has a 10." That could have been KT or QT, but also could have been T8, JT, etc.

So, it's probably, I dunno, 3.5 outs instead of 4. Still seems like a call to me. I was planning on channelling you or Tommy and finding the river fold if I didn't improve.