Forgive me for asking but limped to you in SB w/ AJo

[baronzeus]

I raise. But I just complete ATo. Is that wrong?

[sammy_g]

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I think I want extra money in this pot but I have no chance of winning it without position UI.

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You can't win this unimproved with position, either.

The reason to raise here is if you think you have an equity advantage, and I think it's close. Would be interesting to come up with some reasonable ranges for the limpers and see what PokerStove says.

[Subby]

I raise because punishing limpers is fun.

[baronzeus]

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Would be interesting to come up with some reasonable ranges for the limpers and see what PokerStove says.

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This assumes the typical 40/5 player on party 3/6. If you disagree, oh well, it's close I think.

Hand 1: 17.5683 % 16.79% 00.77% { random }
Hand 2: 25.8463 % 24.06% 01.79% { AJo }
Hand 3: 18.8292 % 17.53% 01.30% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 4: 18.8510 % 17.56% 01.29% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 5: 18.9052 % 17.61% 01.30% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

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Would be interesting to come up with some reasonable ranges for the limpers and see what PokerStove says.

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This assumes the typical 40/5 player on party 3/6. If you disagree, oh well, it's close I think.

Hand 1: 17.5683 % 16.79% 00.77% { random }
Hand 2: 25.8463 % 24.06% 01.79% { AJo }
Hand 3: 18.8292 % 17.53% 01.30% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 4: 18.8510 % 17.56% 01.29% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }
Hand 5: 18.9052 % 17.61% 01.30% { 99-44, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q4s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 87s, AJo-A3o, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T9o }

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this isnt close at all. easy raise.

[istewart]

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I think I want extra money in this pot but I have no chance of winning it without position UI.

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You can't win this unimproved with position, either.

The reason to raise here is if you think you have an equity advantage, and I think it's close. Would be interesting to come up with some reasonable ranges for the limpers and see what PokerStove says.

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I think as far as your equity edge goes, you clearly have one and based solely on that you should raise. But that's not it since your hand doesn't play very well in a biggish pot where people will call you down with middle pair profitably and other annoying stuff.

[Haupt_234]

So this would be an easy raise with KQo too?

Haupt_234

[baronzeus]

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this isnt close at all. easy raise.

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I wasn't saying it was close between a raise and a call, i was saying that it was a close description of hand ranges [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


yes, I agree, raise



Just FYI,

ATo is also very +EV here as well, but A9o is even EV, so you should never raise A9o.

Apparently any suited A is raisable here too as long as you don't mind playing OOP.

[sammy_g]

baronzeus, thanks for cooking this on the stove for me. I'm not sure I agree with the ranges, tho. I'm a 30/20, and I wouldn't dream of playing most of that offsiut cheese. A 40/5 guy just plays 10% more hands. I think your range is too wide.

Also, sometimes passive players limp with hands that dominate us like AQ and occasionally even big pairs. A 40/5 guy doesn't raise often.

[baronzeus]

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baronzeus, thanks for cooking this on the stove for me. I'm not sure I agree with the ranges, tho. I'm a 30/20, and I wouldn't dream of playing most of that offsiut cheese. A 40/5 guy just plays 10% more hands. I think your range is too wide.

Also, sometimes passive players limp with hands that dominate us like AQ and occasionally even big pairs. A 40/5 guy doesn't raise often.

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Regarding AQ etc, I'd put it in the top5% of hands for sure, (AQ+, AA-TT, AJs)

As far as the other hands, I think J8o is really the only really questionable hand, but pokerstove puts the hands I put in as exactly 35% of the total hands in Hold'em.

Part of the reason your VPIP is 30 is because your high stealing range and defending range increases your VPIP considerably. These guys who don't do that stuff will likely have to limp 15% more hands than you to keep that VPIP, and I think even J9o falls in that category.