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Old 06-17-2005, 07:22 AM
Rickfish Rickfish is offline
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Default Re: Standard?

What is your estimate of the EV of these scenarios?
1. Your play.
2. You check the flop and no one bets.
- a. the turn does not help you (and may contain scare cards, e.g. 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])
- b. the turn makes your hand
3. You bet the flop
- a. everyone folds
- b. someone raises all in (you call)

It is not intuitively clear cut to me.
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Old 06-17-2005, 09:24 AM
string4 string4 is offline
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*in the dark, critique welcome*

I wouldn't be risking my stack on a draw in Lvl III, even this good of one, especially when my push probably pushes other overcallers out of the pot. I'm calling this and deciding whether to make my move or not on the turn.
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Old 06-17-2005, 10:41 AM
Scuba Chuck Scuba Chuck is offline
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Default Re: Standard?

[ QUOTE ]
*in the dark, critique welcome*

I wouldn't be risking my stack on a draw in Lvl III, even this good of one, especially when my push probably pushes other overcallers out of the pot. I'm calling this and deciding whether to make my move or not on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

This line is a leak, IMO.
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Old 06-17-2005, 10:46 AM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Standard?

For psychological reasons you could just raise to something like 600 because it tends to get folding equity vs bad players more than an all in. If you are against anyone decent tho its all the same. Also, If you raise to 600 and get called and miss the turn you may be able to get a check check from a newbie on the draw and then u can shove the river and get A high to fold? I dunno all weird ideas. Your play is obv standard.

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Old 06-17-2005, 10:48 AM
johnnybeef johnnybeef is offline
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Default Re: Standard?

[ QUOTE ]
*in the dark, critique welcome*

I wouldn't be risking my stack on a draw in Lvl III, even this good of one, especially when my push probably pushes other overcallers out of the pot. I'm calling this and deciding whether to make my move or not on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

op doesnt have enough chips for that. furthermore, he is pretty much raising for value with this strong of a draw.
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Old 06-17-2005, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: Standard?

No, why? Would you?
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:03 AM
kuro kuro is offline
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Calling just spews off chips. You need folding equity + seeing the turn and river to get full value out of your hand. Which is why check-raising all-in is standard here.
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:09 AM
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This is how I would play it.
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Old 06-17-2005, 11:30 AM
junkmail3 junkmail3 is offline
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I think this is a pretty easy push in your situation.

But let's look at this situation:

Party $50

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter

Hero (t1015)
BB (t1675)
UTG (t1040)
UTG+1 (t895)
MP1 (t1190)
MP2 (t1250)
CO (t825)
Button (t2110)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t200) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t200) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero?

This may look easy from here, I think.

I would bet the pot. But what would you do if villian took the following three actions?

Raised all in:
Raised to t600:
Called: (Which leads to missing on the river, because hitting is way to easy):
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