KK help

[joewatch]

I think you will that in general, PL players are weaker than the NL, although NL has better implied odds and is more profitable in the long run once you get good.

When I switched from limit to NL/PL and was just learning the game, I lost a bunch playing NL, but won it all back and more playing PL. Now I'm back to NL and doing great. NL has better implied odds.

OK, regarding this hand:

Preflop - $3 (5xbb) is a perfectly respectable raise at this level. I don't there's anything wrong with this, and I would feel comfortable even making only a $2 (3xbb) raise. When your big raise gets called, the hands I would put your decent opponents on are JJ-22, AKs-ATs. Often, you will get worse.

Flop - With position, the play on this flop is flexible. If you think your opponent might have a flush draw, then you should bet the pot. If you think your opponent has anything else, it's safe to check here to try to induce a bluff on the turn. Your small bet is essentially the same as a check.

Turn - with 2 broadway cards on board and a flush draw, it's time to close things down. I would bet the pot. Your bet size is reasonable, but they don't call this pot-limit for nothing. Uh oh, you got check-raised. Now it's time to re-evaluate. Usually, a check-raise means that villain can beat TPTK hands. How big was the raise? Villain didn't raise the max, so that means he is raising for value, not to shut you out. I would have folded here, putting Villain on QTs or better.

River - that is an awful call. Villain clearly doesn't fear whatever you hold.

So you feel bad folding KK, right? The good thing about mucking is that nobody has to know. All you have to remember is that you are playing smart poker.

[jonnyUCB]

Only reason I call is if i think the bettor is testing me with his raise (a very aggro raise indeed.. they would much more likely test me by leading out). I would not likely classify a turn ch/r as such. If i do, and they value bet the river i realize i'm beat as I've passed their "test".

I ch/r a flop bet with an overpair and a ragged flop all the time vs a PFR. I give up on the turn. I apply similar logic to this situation though I would not read a turn ch/r the same as a flop ch/r.

[kurto]

"As for the hand, raise more PF. If you want more action, make more raises and people will start to call with inferior hands." Why? He got heads up. Unless he wanted to raise it to $20... his raise seemed appropriate.

I don't understand why a lot of people ask if they should raise more with their good hands. I don't think you want to vary your raised based on what you have.

[TrailofTears]

My quote:

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Don't change your raising standards by your holdings

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Your quote:

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I don't think you want to vary your raised based on what you have.

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Problems? My point was to the oft-mentioned, "I wanted action with my KK/AA so I only raised a little. After all, I didn't want to just pick up the blinds with such a monster." This is a faulty line of thinking, and my suggestion to raise more was to be consistent with your normal raises, and that you aren't only raising PF with AA/KK/QQ/AKs. If OP wants people to call his raises, he can lower his raises (bad idea) or raise with a larger range of hands PF (good if you are capable of playing, which most any regular poster on here can.)

I think we are in agreement, but perhaps just not seeing each other's points. Please comment if there is anything else, as I think this is a good discussion.

-T

[kurto]

We are saying the same thing. My bad.

I think the only time you should raise you bets if if everyone calls every standard raise. Then you need to up the standard raise. (and, of course adjust to # of limpers.)

So many (not posters here)...
Min raise- small pp or KQ
Normal Raise - AQ, AK, 10s-Qs
REALLY HUGE RAISE (or open all in)- Aces or kings

so goofy.

[TrailofTears]

I agree. I am a very strict follower of the 4xBB+1xBB/limper. I also raise almost every time when folded to on the button. And I raise from LP with a decent amount of hands. This is all for 6max games, to be clear.

Yesterday, though, with the blind change at party, everyone was calling every raise because it was still cheaper than the old blinds, so I actually upped it to 5xBB+ for every raise (I know, woooooo...)

-T