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Old 12-09-2004, 05:58 PM
Piiop Piiop is offline
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Default Re: Value bet the turn?

Did you consider folding preflop?
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:29 PM
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Default Re: Value bet the turn?

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The SB could easily have an Axs where the x paired here.

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While that's possible (dubious because of the preflop cap), SB could easily *not* be laying it down to a bet. Even if he knew he was trailing an overpair or something like that, the pot is large enough that he would be getting odds to call.
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Old 12-10-2004, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: Value bet the turn?

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Did you consider folding preflop?

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Actually, I did. Should I have? I'm dominated by lots of raising hands, but I'm getting 6.5:1 on the call and I have position on one of the raisers. And at these stakes people raise with all sorts of unexpected hands PF.
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Old 12-10-2004, 10:18 AM
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I think the only way I knock anyone out on the turn is if button raises after my turn bet. He just called on the flop so I can't assume he'll co-operate. Besides which I have more outs to flush than TP and I want people in the hand if I hit that, right?
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Old 12-10-2004, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: Value bet the turn?

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Did you consider folding preflop?

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Actually, I did. Should I have?

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No, there's no way you're folding it after it comes back to you (you're getting decent odds see the flop, implied odds are big, and you've got a good hand multi-way). But you need an excellent flop to continue, and you need to be willing to drop if you pair your ace and they're both still pushing hard. You will want at least a pair with a backdoor flush draw (in this hand, I'd say that having a flush draw alone is stronger than a pair + backdoor draw because it's not likely that you'll win with a pair here).
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