Betting with an overcard

[BobboFitos]

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This is UB 10 max, which is playing a lot like Party games these days.

When I said I raised to 4, I meant I made it 4 dollars to go.

Let me explain some logic...

I checked the flop because if he had AK or AQ, I expect him to check raise the flop.

By the turn I just wanted to take the hand down and not give someone a chance to river me.

By the river I was confused. Should I just assume this person is a moron and bet again on the river? What will I be called with that I beat?

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No, no, no, no. You bet the flop because if he checkraises you you KNOW you're beaten, so get the hand over with.

Plus if you check you allow something like KQ to hit a pair and outdraw you for free. So betting the flop is superior.

If you bet the turn it's to ensure no funny stuff on the river, as you'd like to get the hand shown down. So just check, and and expect to win, but some players wont bet weak aces into semistrong players (your action on the turn) so a bet is not good...

[BobboFitos]

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Let's say you had AK as UTG+1, and for some reason you decided to call the raise preflop (I wouldn't). Would you bet the flop? I think I'd check raise the flop.

That's why I wouldn't bet the flop because someone could be slow playing an ace.

Do I give UB players do much credit at these stakes? Sometimes it seems like most of these players are actually monkeys jumping up and down on a keyboard.

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If you had a legitamate draw you would check, because you would want a free turn.

If he actually has an ace you have 2 outs, so who cares about the free card - bet and find out. whee

[shtolky]

Most UB players are monkeys jumping up around on a keyboard. He had 7's right...shows that he is a monkey

[AdamBragar]

The guy had 77. That's what confused me so much. Is this something common?

Thanks for all your comments, it's really helpful.

[elnino12]

It's common if you're playing against weak/loose players who will call all the way to the river hoping to catch their set. If you bet the flop here though, I'm pretty sure he autofolds.

[swolfe]

i haven't read others replies or the results yet, but i'd throw a pot bet at the flop. you have position and checking here is just asking for someone to steal the pot from you.

on the end, i'd check again, and get the showdown on. generally, if you bet out, the only way he'll call is if you're beat. this isn't the type of situation where you would have a caller with second best hand.

[swolfe]

i'd bet the flop with AK. top pair-top kicker is still a pretty weak hand that can be out-drawn. i want to win the pot right there.

[swolfe]

if i was in his place, the check on the flop would tell me that you missed, and you could be trying to steal on the turn with any two broadways. i'd have probably played post-flop in the same way depending on how much you bet and the pot value.

if i was in his place though, i'd have folded 77 to a re-raise pre-flop.

[swolfe]

yeah, your half-pot bet on the turn screams weakness. i'd have actually raised you there if i was in his place, figuring that i had you beat with a pocket pair or that you were scared enough of the ace that you'd fold.

[phil_ivey_fan]

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Is this something common?

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Yes, get used to it. They are called fish and they've paid for my social life as well as donated considerably to my B-Roll for the past 6 months.