Quack Quack Quandry - 11's

[johnnybeef]

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What kind of hand ranges are you using?

I mean, ok, Q9o isn't a helluva lot better, but it's pretty signifigant. 22 is a top 20-25% hand, and Q9 is a 35% hand, unless I'm completely wrong.

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you are

edit: according to hpfap 22 is a group 7 hand, q9s is group 5, q9 off is group 8

[gumpzilla]

The advice so far is pretty spot on, in my opinion. There aren't a whole lot of situations where I'm going to be excited about calling with 22, and this isn't one of them. While UTG is pushing with a wide range, this doesn't really help you, as the only hands you do genuinely well against contain another 2. The rest of the time, you're either very close to 50-50 on one side of the other or a heavy dog. Although you are getting 5-3, you're probably better off just making some steals with the 5.5 BB you'll have left following this.

[valenzuela]

6-11 odds clearly compensate the fact that u will see PPs, Im calling here, Im not folding a potential coinflip.

[johnnybeef]

anyone who says otherwise is a fish.

[lastchance]

Ok, let's run through some ranges of my choosing:
99-AA, AK-AQ = 5%
22 = 34%
Q9 = 25%

66-AA, AK-AT = 10%
22 = 36%
Q9 = 32%

44+, A7+, KJ+ = 15%
22 = 40%
Q9 = 34%

22+, A2+, K9+, QJ+ = 30%
22 = 44%
Q9 = 36%

22+, A2+, K2+, Q7+, JT = 40%
22 = 47%
Q9 = 42%
22+, A2+, K2+, Q2+, J7+, T9 = 50%
22 = 47%
Q9 = 45%

22+, A2+, K2+, Q2+, J2+, T5+, 96+, 86+, T2s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 53s+, 43s+ = 70%
22 = 49%
Q9 = 49%

You can see that 22 is a lot better unless your opponent is pushing an insanely wide range. Still, I'm folding. I figure I'm 45%, and pot odds aren't that great. (I'm also folding Q9, of course, and probably A7, 88 is a really easy call).

[johnnybeef]

Great analysis.....thank you.

[lastchance]

Well, thanks for pushing me to do some actual work on this.

[ClaytonN]

K, well, I was planning on folding but SB called. QJ from original pusher, you guys were close.

It was one of those "in the moment" deals where I figured there is no way in hell I was calling. This was just to make sure my inclincations were somewhat correct.