So I have an aggression problem.... - Page 2

xenthebrain · #11 10-13-2005, 09:33 AM

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Still I wouldn't lead it against 3 others without a weak tight read.

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Probably my fault. Empire 1/2 is weak-tight and a low paired board gets lots of folds.

#12 10-13-2005, 09:35 AM

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I think it's 4 handed and the convertor messed up. Still I wouldn't lead it against 3 others without a weak tight read.

deception you're done with the hand once you have to overcall on the flop. I'd even ditch it if everyone folded to me due to reverse implied odds.

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party doesnt have 2/4 short handed

deception5 · #13 10-13-2005, 10:05 AM

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Why not lead the flop?

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My thought was that if I lead, I get no information about whether my opponents are calling with overcards, made hands, or draws. If I check I may get more information (easy fold to a bet and a raise). I think thesharpie is right - once someone overcalls it is _much_ more likely that I'm up against at least one made hand so the flop shouldn't have been a check/fold.

deception5 · #14 10-13-2005, 10:08 AM

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I think the flop call is horrible. Drawing to 3.5 outs, and one of those straights will be the ass end, you need to be getting ~13:1 on your call. You're not even getting half that.

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I wasn't looking to improve, there's a reasonable chance I have the best hand on a flop like this. My plan was to call and lead a blank turn. That 8 is actually a worse card for me than I realized at the time as any overcard straight draw improved to a straight or a better pair.

deception5 · #15 10-13-2005, 10:08 AM

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party doesnt have 2/4 short handed

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He means 4 handed postflop.

MATT111 · #16 10-13-2005, 10:14 AM

I like it.
Do you call a river bet?

lautzutao · #17 10-13-2005, 10:14 AM

With BB leading I think he either had a 4, or a small PP(given the way he froze up on the turn with your bet).

This was a horrible bet IMO without a W/T read, something you don't include[img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. And with a W/T read I woulda gone for a c/r on the turn instead of the donk lead.

#18 10-13-2005, 10:20 AM

Grunching

I fold the flop here.

deception5 · #19 10-13-2005, 10:20 AM

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And with a W/T read I woulda gone for a c/r on the turn instead of the donk lead.

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A c/r on the turn would not be a good idea in my opinion because I'd often trap the third player in the hand when he has a minimum of 6 outs against me.

deception5 · #20 10-13-2005, 10:24 AM

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Do you call a river bet?

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My plan at the time was check/fold, but I may induce a bluff from a missed draw when I check the river. Problem is most draws were helped by the 8 or A so I think check/fold is probably best.