Question to EASTBAY & SNG Ptools experts

[Jman28]

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Found it.

As it turns out I meant "EV No Call" was not being changed to reflect equity modelling.

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You shouldn't be discounting the entire BB there. That's the problem. Basically, in doing that you are saying that he is 100% guaranteed to bust on the next hand, which is obviously not true.

[eastbay]

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Found it.

As it turns out I meant "EV No Call" was not being changed to reflect equity modelling.

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You shouldn't be discounting the entire BB there. That's the problem. Basically, in doing that you are saying that he is 100% guaranteed to bust on the next hand, which is obviously not true.

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No, the discount is variable from 0 to 100%. That's not the problem. I think he has a point in that it's not being applied consistently in each context.

If you mean using 100% is a misapplication of discounting, I agree.

eastbay

[Jman28]

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Found it.

As it turns out I meant "EV No Call" was not being changed to reflect equity modelling.

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You shouldn't be discounting the entire BB there. That's the problem. Basically, in doing that you are saying that he is 100% guaranteed to bust on the next hand, which is obviously not true.

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No, the discount is variable from 0 to 100%. That's not the problem. I think he has a point in that it's not being applied consistently in each context.

If you mean using 100% is a misapplication of discounting, I agree.

eastbay


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Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Here's a pic from that thread:



He has it set to discount 100% of the blinds, which is what I think is causing a problem. No?

[tigerite]

Nah, it also gave folds at about 70% as well, I tried that. It's not the only thing causing it to not work.

Your EV No Call, logically, cannot be less than your EV Fold. That's like saying you open fold and yet your equity is higher by doing so, than if you push and the rest all fold.

[Jman28]

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Nah, it also gave folds at about 70% as well, I tried that. It's not the only thing causing it to not work.

Your EV No Call, logically, cannot be less than your EV Fold. That's like saying you open fold and yet your equity is higher by doing so, than if you push and the rest all fold.

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Okay. I see. Yeah, it must be ignoring the blinds when you push and discounting them when you fold?

[tigerite]

You'd have to ask eastbay about that one.. I think, though I am not sure, that the equity modelling is only being applied on EV Fold and not EV No Call. Which I suppose is the same as saying the blinds aren't being discounted to an extent, yeah.

Thank you for your comments but the thing is:

about 85% of the time next round you will be comparing with randon cards (90% callin range) and in most of them you probably be an underdog. (also on average you wiill get a nand which is worse than Q8s)

about 10% (optimistically) you will get the SB

about 5% you will fold.

In comparison to my push in previous round I can see two
better situations: taking SB without a fight and getting a better hand.

But still it is not obvious that these two situation overweight my push with Q8s.

Also everebody pls wright his\her action like: "I push that or I fold that"

[Jman28]

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Also everebody pls wright his\her action like: "I push that or I fold that"


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I definitely push Q8s here.

[tigerite]

I don't think the BB will call 100%, he will fold some really bad hands. I think you have to push here, even though with BB's slightly modified range it's maybe -0.3% ? Because you won't get better than that before it's too late.

I see a label on the picture saying SNG PT V1.19-test 9 but when I am trying to download the program from Eastbay's it offers only version 1.18 (I am e registered user). What's the problem ?