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12-08-2005, 10:00 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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so i say fold but i hate ed miller in these situations. [/ QUOTE ] What does Ed Miller have to do with 6-max and this topic? You cannot possibly fold this river in a 6-max 3/6 internet game. 
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#2
12-08-2005, 10:26 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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[ QUOTE ] so i say fold but i hate ed miller in these situations. [/ QUOTE ] What does Ed Miller have to do with 6-max and this topic? You cannot possibly fold this river in a 6-max 3/6 internet game. [/ QUOTE ] Ed Miller said it's a huge mistake to fold in big pots (SSH, although he said it for one bet really). It's not really though, i was kind of being sarcastic. But i don't feel like elaborating. If u say folding is never correct, then u won't understand what else i have to say.
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#3
12-08-2005, 10:37 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
Right. That advice applies as good general advice to people who haven't thought about it before, and to people who want to be too cute with river folds, making "amazing" reads. But you still look at the action and the players, and if you aren't getting appropriate odds compared to that, you fold. Ed Miller never said "Just throw out everything you learned about hand reading and looking at the board and call just because the pot is big".
I think Ed including a revision with a Bobbyi-like analysis of the river decision might clear up some confusion.
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#4
12-08-2005, 10:50 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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Ed Miller said it's a huge mistake to fold in big pots (SSH, although he said it for one bet really). It's not really though, i was kind of being sarcastic. But i don't feel like elaborating. If u say folding is never correct, then u won't understand what else i have to say. [/ QUOTE ] I never said folding here is 'always' incorrect; however, given that this is a low-limit 6-max internet game, folding here would be ruinous and boderline 'always' incorrect.
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#5
12-08-2005, 09:39 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
I think you need to bet this flop, but not because of protection. 5-handed, this guy is only going to bet this flop if he hit it. A hand like AQ/AJ is going to check here. He will also often raise here with AK,KQ,QQ,AA in which case you can 3-bet. Having this getting checked through is a complete disaster.
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#6
12-08-2005, 09:45 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
All hope is gone.
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#7
12-09-2005, 01:14 AM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
im intrigued, what happened?
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#8
12-08-2005, 09:53 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
Didn't have time to read all responses, just read the board. Bet the flop, too mnay draws out there AND if given the chance, you need to cap, which you did, phew, good. Checking on this flop is not too smart given your late position. Raise the turn. Only 7T of the draws has gotten there. Call the river. If they're behind and still betting, you want this. If you're beaten, you dont want to continue raising.
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#10
12-08-2005, 10:59 PM
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Re: why am i always in these spots?
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SB has K8 BB has KQ Button has AK Your hand is good. Now wake up and smell the coffee. That was a dream. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, because players that call and don't raise the flop with TP2ndK, then cold call three on the turn and raise the river because they hit two pair. Edit - i just realized u meant that u have to fold. My bad, but i'll leave this post up b/c i think it's important.
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