Starting Hands UTG

[CallMeIshmael]

Excellent post.

[gvibes]

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So, what gives?

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Forum consensus is looser and more aggressive than SSH.

[Shillx]

Raise AJ/AQ/KQ. Fold KJ. Limp with KTs-JTs. I usually fold A-crap up front but will play A9s and A8s.

Brad

[CallMeIshmael]

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I find it interesting that SSH was mentioned and most people said the answers were mostly obvious, yet the vast majority of people said to raise AJo UTG. SSH suggests raising AJo in EP at a loose (6-8 to the flop) table, which doesn't describe Party 3/6, and calling with AJo in EP at a tight (3-5 to the flop) table, which does describe typical Party 3/6.

So, what gives?

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Miller himself said on here he raises AJo UTG.

Those pages in SSHE are for beginner types. At some point you learn to not make preflop choices by rules.

[thirddan]

yeah, although most of the time i will raise KTs (depends on table)...

[AliasMrJones]

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At some point you learn to not make preflop choices by rules.

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But this thread is all about the question, "You're UTG with X, what do you do" with no other info. Clearly, if you're in a later position where number of limpers, your read of the limpers/raisers, etc. come into play, I wholeheartedly agree. But that doesn't seem to apply here to me. You're UTG with "X" at a "typical table -- what do you do? This looks like pretty straightforward preflop play by rules.

Given that Ed says he raises, but he suggests limping in SSH, I guess he's saying the better you are, the more likely you should be to raise rather than call with AJo up front.

[chesspain]

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Sometimes I would call with AQo I guess because I would hate to be at a super aggro table, get 3 bet behind and flop a pair OOP.

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Yeah, this would be a freakin nightmare.

[CallMeIshmael]

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most of the time i will raise KTs (depends on table)...

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[intensify1]

in regards to AJo and KQo; I first of all have been limping with them most of the time and tried to raise on a few occasions. but i am wondering if i shouldnt try raising 1st in instead. here are my stats for the hands;

AJo
135 times
BB/100 -.02
win % 36.3
W$WSF 34.38
PFR% 21.48
RFI% 18.52
LwPC 11.11
WtSD 33.59
W$SD 51.16

KQo


136 times

BB/100 .27

W$WSF 36.22
PFR% 6.62
RFI% 6.62
LwPC 10.29
WtSD 24.21
W5SD 67.74




any thougths are welcomed.

[goodguy_1]

I raise with AJ KQ utg now all the time.