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Old 06-24-2005, 05:17 PM
petvan petvan is offline
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Default Re: Oh Suited One-Gapper, How I Love Thee

Hi Chief,

Can you explain this a bit for my benefit? I assume the idea is that you are hoping for flop that hits you in a way UTG doesn't expect while he is a in a position where he will play aggressively, possibly for all his chips if he's on AA/KK/QQ etc?

Seems pretty speculative to me? Are you also thinking that with position, on a flop that misses premiums you can take the pot down with a decent flop bet?

I think I might be missing something here and would love to know what it is.

Thanks

P
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:27 PM
Chief911 Chief911 is offline
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Default Re: Oh Suited One-Gapper, How I Love Thee

General idea is, many times when a really tight UTG raises like this, you are almost guarenteed of two things:

1. He has AA, KK, QQ, or AK.
2. He's probably going to get all his chips in the pot by the turn.

So, nothing like two suited low cards to hit something that looks nice and innocent. Post flop, alot of fun things can happen:

1. You whiff, he bets, you fold.
2. You whiff, he checks, but bets the turn and you fold.
3. You hit a pair or a flush draw, and he bets, then you calculate your odds vs. what you know he has, and proceed.
4. You hit hard with two pair, trips, straight, etc. Proceed directly to stacking his chips. Do no pass go, do not collect $200.

The implied odds of his hand makes it a worthwhile call, if the stacks are deep enough. In this case, I think the stacks were BARELY deep enough, and I'm not even really sure that they were.

Nick
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:30 PM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: Oh Suited One-Gapper, How I Love Thee

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1. He has AA, KK, QQ, or AK.
2. He's probably going to get all his chips in the pot by the turn.


[/ QUOTE ]

1 looks fine, but 2 does not. you may get 1 continuation bet on the flop from whiffed AK, but i don't see the stack going in. what's your plan? check/call flop, check/raise turn?
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:31 PM
Chief911 Chief911 is offline
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Default Re: Oh Suited One-Gapper, How I Love Thee

You are right. Not AK. But certienly AA, KK, QQ, and probably AK if he hits an ace.

Nick
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Old 06-24-2005, 05:34 PM
Whitey Whitey is offline
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Default Re: Oh Suited One-Gapper, How I Love Thee

My requirements for calling here are usually....

The call is less than 10% of my stack

I'm getting 10-1 implied odds for my call.

Do you think this is reasonable?
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