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Player and railbird didn\'t like this
Well, the car's in the shop so I'm not at work this morning. 2-table 20's on 'Stars aren't filling so I jump into a $10.
We're down to 8 players, blinds are 100/200/a25 about 2 minutes until the blinds double. I'm in 3rd right now with 4035 before posting my ante. Folded to me in the CO with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I make it 700 to go. Button hesitates and goes all-in for 1290, blinds fold and it's back to me with 2490 in the pot and 590 to call. I figure this is a big overlay against the range of hands he might have and call. Board comes (Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])(5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img])T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and I take it down. Railbird from whom we have heard nothing types "lol. ridiculous" Short-stack types "that just isn't right." Who doesn't call that all-in? |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
Kurn,
Given the situation you found after your steal attempt (I assume that's what you were doing) I believe you call of 590 to be absolutely correct. The only way I wouldn't call would be if my finger, operating on the "They raised my steal I have to fold" priciple hit the fold button before my brain processed the pot odds. And if you tried to explain pot-odds to your fans there you'd likely get a lot of "WTF?" Nicely played last night, by the way. And finally, I wish my car would break down on a Friday. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
You obviously don't like the raise, but you're right. It's definitely a call for you.
Give em a smiley face. They clearly don't get it. No reason to let them think you do. |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
Once you made a raise of 700, no way 590 more all in should push you out. Good call. Even better, the other players are gonna have a hard time putting you on a hand the rest of the tournament, which is always +EV.
What did the short stack have? AK? I can see why he was bitter if that is the case, but that is poker! |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
your steal attempt (I assume that's what you were doing)
This may be off topic, but it touches on what I think is a key concept in NL tournament play. There's a saying that goes something like this, "Each poker hand essentially begins as a struggle for the antes." In the middle stages of a tournament, the purpose of *every* preflop raise I make is to take the chips that are already in the pot. It doesn't matter whether I have AA or 32. I want the blinds. If any action follows my raise, I assess the situation and proceed. How often, or with what range of hands, I raise is going to depend on the dynamics present at the table and how willing I am to play my cards if called. In this case, the blinds both have stacks in the range of mine and they weren't playing too aggressively, so I thought there was a reasonable chance they'd fold, but if one of them called me, I'd be comfortable playing 97s with position after the flop. Table dynamics are key. I might raise and take the blinds from the SB, then again from the button, and on the very next hand get a better hand than the other two and fold it because the table dynamics dictate that I am now more likely to get played back at. Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but the range of hands with which I raise varies based on a number of criteria, but regardless of the cards, my purpose when I raise is always the same. |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
What did the short stack have? AK?
Duh. Left out a key piece of info. Button had A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
I think this is a good example why I find such steal-raises (with almost any 2 cards) good moves against CERTAIN players w/ small stacks:
1. If you have a good read on him, as a player who'll wait too much for premium hands while short stacked - he will fold most of the time. 2. If he raises all-in, you probably have the odds to call, no matter what. 3. Regardless if you win a showdown or not, you have now a wild image, which if you use right, can help you as the game goes on. That's my thinking. And of course, great game yesterday. It was a pleasure, and an important lesson in SNG play. Whoever thinks that these 2+2 games are only social fun, misses a priceless opportunity to improve his game. I actually used some of my new thoughts regarding aggressiveness in late stages, to win the next SNG I played. PrayingMantis |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
You obviously should have laid down your hand rather than try to steal the blinds. Then when you were raised, you were supposed to pee your pants and run away like a little boy. What are you doing, calculating pot odds, or something? I thought you knew how to play this game [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
Very interesting post. This quote "Each poker hand essentially begins as a struggle for the antes," really puts pre-flop play into perspective.
I do have a minor question in regard to this statement: In the middle stages of a tournament, the purpose of *every* preflop raise I make is to take the chips that are already in the pot. Does *every* mean the vast majority? You never raise pre-flop to build a pot? Just curious and thanks for the post. |
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Re: Player and railbird didn\'t like this
Hi Kurn,
I was just reading Theory of Poker again about the struggle for the blinds. Blind stealing is the key to winning Sit N Go's (not finishing in the money). But what most interested me was this quote [ QUOTE ] Table dynamics are key. I might raise and take the blinds from the SB, then again from the button, and on the very next hand get a better hand than the other two and fold it because the table dynamics dictate that I am now more likely to get played back at. [/ QUOTE ] I have found mid tourney (4-6 players left) that if I steal the blinds twice in a row uncalled, I will not play the next hand (especially if the BB is shortstacked) unless I have a premium hand. I will limp with very good hands, mini raise or trap with premiums (group 1 hands) and fold everything else. Of course, even this depends on table dynamics, just a general observation. Pitcher |
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