Microlimit Omaha 8b - 2 hands for review

L0QTiS · #1 07-08-2004, 04:59 PM

I think I have a tendency to play my hands too passive in some cases, even with a monster hand.

Here's an example:

Hand 1:

Paradise Poker 1/2 Omaha/8 (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, Button folds, SB

folds, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)


MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

I thought about 3-betting but figured I would probably wait until the river to see if the last card falls high or low. Rethinking this, I should have capped as I pretty much have the high secured here.

River: (9.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls.

After I got 3-bet, doubts set in. I swear that the last 2 Aces full hands I've had in the last month lost to quads after I capped both the turn and the river.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below: 
MP2 shows Qc 7d Ad Kc (High: full house, kings full of aces).
Hero shows Ah 6h 3c As (High: full house, aces full of kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.75 BB. 

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I also think I have a problem with "taking one card off" on the flop with very speculative hands

Hand 2:
Paradise Poker 1/2 Omaha/8 (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Hero posts a blind of $1.

I sometimes play this in very late position, but obviously you want a good flop. I posted so I'm in anyway...

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (8 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 players)

SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

I just arrived at the table, I have decent position and a very speculative hand given this flop. I've been watching the table before I joined. Very passive, many seeing the flop as shown here, so I decide to call the bet and take a card of and see what happens

Turn: (6.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls, UTG calls.

So I have 4 out to the wheel, and another 3 outs for any 3 which produces 2nd nut low (counterfeiting 23) and a 7 high straight, and a 7 outs for any 8 or 6 for the bad straight. So, with 14 outs, 7 of which either give me a wheel or best straight. Geez, maybe I should have raised...? When I first ran through the hand, I missed the 6 as an out.

River: (11.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO folds, Button folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 shows Tc Kc Ah 9c (High: two pair, aces and tens).
Hero shows 4s 5s 3d 6c (Low: 5, 4, 3, 2, A | High: straight, five high).
CO doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB. 

Now, of course I get chided for chasing that miracle 2 and perhaps that's the way it appeared but at the time it didn't seem that way. I just want to know if my logic here was flawed. I'm aware that situations like this can be costly, and I'm willing to release the hand in a heartbeat if the draw got worse, but in this case It didn't seem to. I'd be less inclined to pursue this type of hand if (a) less were in the pot, and/or (b) the board had a flush draw on the flop.

Further, would anyone consider raising the turn to attempt to scare out 24XX or just by virtue of the nuber of outs presented?

I'd be interested in opinions on either hand, thanks!