100NL : hand series versus tough LAG - help!

cbloom · #1 12-21-2005, 01:33 PM

Villain is a tough LAG, about 70/40, but plays well after the flop. I know for EV I should just leave the table, but I'm trying to get better against these type of players. Anyway, I got destroyed. This is a series of the significant hands played. I'm showing results in all but the last hand so that you can see how he plays various hands. I know I screwed up the last hand, I was tilted and should have just left the table, but I'm curious how people play these other hands and what they put him on the last hand. In particular the AK hands where I have no pair are tough. When I opened raised and bet continuation, he would call down with any pair. Somehow whenever the pot was big he managed to have the best hand, though, against other players as well.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($339.52)
BB ($91.50)
UTG ($145.90)
Hero ($92)
Button ($96.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB :#A500AF(Villain)/ (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $5, Villain calls $5.

Turn: ($19) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $9, Villain calls $9.

River: ($37) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $37

Results in white below: 
Villain has 6c 4c (one pair, sixes).
Hero has Ac Kc (high card, ace).
Outcome: Villain wins $37. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

CO :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($322.77)
Button ($128.65)
SB ($116.50)
Hero ($100.10)
UTG ($88)
MP ($74.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, CO :#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8, CO :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $6.

Flop: ($18.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Villain calls $9.

Turn: ($36.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Villain calls $15.

River: ($66.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks.

Final Pot: $66.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Js (one pair, sixes).
Villain has 3d Qd (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Villain wins $66.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($344.27)
UTG ($128.65)
MP ($116)
Hero ($100)
SB ($86)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($8.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $5, Villain raises to $10, Hero calls $5.

River: ($28.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $30, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $58.50

Results in white below: 
Villain has Kc 9c (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Villain wins $58.50. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($356.37)
SB ($127.65)
BB ($116)
Hero ($100)
MP ($84.50)
CO ($84.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. CO posts a blind of $1.50.
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, Button :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($11) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks.

Turn: ($11) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $7, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $18

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Villain wins $18. 

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ (6 max, 6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ ($357.17)
UTG ($123.15)
MP ($110)
Hero ($128.40)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($68.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ raises to $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($10.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $7, Villain raises to $14, Hero raises to $45, Villain calls $31.

Turn: ($100.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $45, Hero calls $45.

River: ($190.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $190.50

cbloom · #2 12-21-2005, 04:38 PM

nobody?

wslee00 · #3 12-21-2005, 04:48 PM

the villain has a pattern. if he calls your cb that means he has some piece of the flop, so stop firing into the pot unless you pick up something on the turn. He was getting lucky hitting a piece of the flop in your first two hands. I would continue raising my big cards and c-betting the flop no matter what comes out.

I put villain on QJ or AQ on the last hand. You were definitely on tilt that last hand - villain is check-raising here with a good hand.

cbloom · #4 12-21-2005, 05:09 PM

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the villain has a pattern. if he calls your cb that means he has some piece of the flop, so stop firing into the pot unless you pick up something on the turn. He was getting lucky hitting a piece of the flop in your first two hands. I would continue raising my big cards and c-betting the flop no matter what comes out.

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This is mostly true, but he could also call the flop with weak draws or overs and then would always bet if I later checked. I guess that means if I hit the flop big I can bet it, then later check-raise. Certainly if I showed him that I would c-bet and then check-fold the turn, he would jump all over that.

Should I avoid playing any pots with him OOP?

Morrek · #5 12-21-2005, 04:58 PM

I don't have time to reply to them all one by one now but, generally try to bet more on the flops so your cb's get respect(5 into 9 then 9 into 19 sucks). Also, dont reraise AJo OOP against someone you're uncomfortable playing against, especially when you're only half-poting all the time.

tripp0807 · #6 12-21-2005, 05:06 PM

I don't like how you played these hands at all. I think that you should have figured out (as most of us have) that this guy knows when you've got air. You've got bad relative position on him and he's got a good read on you. Why are you firing repeated second bullets with air?

I've got bad PT stats when my hand is "high card" or one pair. You probably do too.

Wait until you've got something against people like this. Fire a weak continuation bet and hope he raises. Call, and check raise the turn.

Don't keep playing with air. It's got lousy showdown value.

cbloom · #7 12-21-2005, 05:11 PM

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Don't keep playing with air. It's got lousy showdown value.

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So open raise AK, and then just check-fold the flop with a whiff? Somethinge like 66% of the time I still have the best hand, but I guess it's not putting my stack in on.

tripp0807 · #8 12-21-2005, 05:16 PM

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Don't keep playing with air. It's got lousy showdown value.

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So open raise AK, and then just check-fold the flop with a whiff? Somethinge like 66% of the time I still have the best hand, but I guess it's not putting my stack in on.

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No. I said that they have lousy SHOWDOWN value, not lousy chances of winning the hand without a showdown. I guess xorbie summed up what I meant:

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stop betting like a pussy when you have nothing.

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If you're going to fire bullets with air, make sure they have a chance of hitting the target. Pot size bets work better than this 1/3-1/2 pot crap.

#9 12-21-2005, 05:29 PM

Hand 1) I love the PF and flop bet, especially with AK and a lousy flop but I'm checking after that also consider this a bad beat it was

Hand 2) Ditto

Hand 3) no pf raise, I'd fold to flop bet. looks like he got to you

Hand 4) ok

Hand 5) River all in, tell me you got your money back [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kyriefurro · #10 12-21-2005, 05:11 PM

I didn't need to look at the results to see the same thing villain sees. You're bets are WAY too weak on every street. They're just not convincing. As a result, villain can tell right away that you don't have a hand and will call you down with bottom pair.

You're C/B on the flop should look exactly like the bet you make when you flop TPTK. Personally I always bet 3/4 of the pot, unless there's an obvious draw in a multiway pot, in which case I bet the full pot or even overbet. I play it exactly the same way regardless of whether or not I have a hand.