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Old 08-25-2005, 02:57 PM
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Default AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

Online 2/4 - Very loose passive table. I've got a tight image but nobody at the table cares.

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Two posters at UTG+1 and CO. CO is unknown.

Preflop: UTG folds, UTG+1 checks, I raise, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Blinds call.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)

3 checks, I bet, MP1 calls, CO raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, I raise and they all call.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)

2 checks, I bet, MP1 calls, CO raises, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, I ???

It's not close right?

Thanks for any responses.

Edit: Sorry if the layout looks a bit off. I had to enter it manually. Also, fixed Turn action.. should be UTG+1 that called 2 cold.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

I don't think you raise, I would just call and raise the river if I fill up or hit a flush.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

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I don't think you raise, I would just call and raise the river if I fill up or hit a flush.

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Why wouldn't you raise? It doesn't look like anyone else is dropping out and you surely have more than 25% equity in this pot. I say get more money in.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:26 PM
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Good point. So Hero three-bets and CO caps, and Hero does not hit anything on the river. What do we do then? The pot is huge, but is there any way Hero is ahead?
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:17 PM
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Good point. So Hero three-bets and CO caps, and Hero does not hit anything on the river. What do we do then? The pot is huge, but is there any way Hero is ahead?

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This is what I was thinking at the time and I thought for a while. Other posters have brought up the major points. Even if behind, which is likely to CO, I think a raise is best.

Results:
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I called, MP1 called 2 cold.

River: Th

UTG+1 checks, I check, MP1 checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, I raise, MP1 calls, CO calls, UTG+1 calls all-in.

UTG+1 shows 7h Tc, MHIG, everyone else mucks. Wish I could've known what CO had.

Is the check-raise right here given the action and no reads on CO? I'm not sure even if he had the Qh that he could 3-bet. I think I'm leaning towards this being bad also; I risk the very bad check-through and guaranteed bets from anyone holding hearts (after all that's why they are at river). </font>
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

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Good point. So Hero three-bets and CO caps, and Hero does not hit anything on the river. What do we do then? The pot is huge, but is there any way Hero is ahead?

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This is what I was thinking at the time and I thought for a while. Other posters have brought up the major points. Even if behind, which is likely to CO, I think a raise is best.

Results:
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I called, MP1 called 2 cold.

River: Th

UTG+1 checks, I check, MP1 checks, CO bets, UTG+1 calls, I raise, MP1 calls, CO calls, UTG+1 calls all-in.

UTG+1 shows 7h Tc, MHIG, everyone else mucks. Wish I could've known what CO had.

Is the check-raise right here given the action and no reads on CO? I'm not sure even if he had the Qh that he could 3-bet. I think I'm leaning towards this being bad also; I risk the very bad check-through and guaranteed bets from anyone holding hearts (after all that's why they are at river). </font>

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I'm a bit confused here. did you river a big flush or do you have top two pair? If you have top two, I think your river check-raise is insane. If you hit your flush and are sure that it will be bet, go ahead with the CR. Any doubt and I bet out.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

I still raise here.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

If CO's not nuts and thinking he can bluff all those callers he probably hit his flush. But, you've got a lot of outs against a set or flush. Call it down unless you improve.
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:29 PM
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Default Re: AKo drawing on monotone board - turn?

Flush - meh

Possible? - sure it is, but look


A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on board
K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] my hand

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on board

he could very likely have something like AQ with the Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or some other two pair.

He didn't call with big suited connectors, so it's tough to put him on a hand that beats us right now.

If he's a total fruitcake, it limits our hand reading a bit, but his raise on the flop, makes me think he definately doesn't have a flush, since we improved on the river, and have multiple outs to the nuts - I'm still getting my money in the middle.

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:36 PM
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I dont think calling with 67[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],78[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] is too fruitcake/maniac in late position for 1 SB (since he posted). I am thinking weak flush for CO here is major % but adding small % for other holdings as well.
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