worst player you've ever seen? (low content)

rivered_again · #1 07-06-2005, 04:15 AM

I ran into a very "unique" player today at 0.5/1 on PartyPoker. With stats of 68/15/3, he mostly fit the "maniac" description, but took it to a whole other level. I'm talking constant raising with no hand and no draw. Capping the river with 3 high and being shown a full house. This sort of thing happened multiple times. I was "priviledged" enough to play heads up twice with this player and crushed him both times, while being raised and 3-bet into. My bankroll thanks him.

Bluffing can be exciting, because sometimes you can get people to lay down better hands. But there's a time and a place for it, and micro limit online poker is NOT one of them! People are especially passive and will call with weak pairs and most draws. Hoping to bluff them out of a pot is almost never going to work.

So I added this player to my buddies list so I could seek him out in the future. Later that night, I saw he was playing at a $2/4 table! That's beyond my bankroll (and perhaps skill), so I just watched. He hadn't changed his style at all. I saw him go from $80 to $130 to $30 to $140 to broke in 30 minutes. People at the table were openly insulting him (which I never did when he was at my table... "don't tap the aquarium"), but it didn't seem to bother him; he kept right on trying to bluff everyone out of every pot and failing almost every time.

So that's the worst player I've ever seen online. Tries to bluff people out of every pot, not learning from the fact that it almost never seems to work. Not content to hemmorhage money at 0.5/1 with a horribly broken style of play, he decides to move up to a much higher limit! Great choice!

Just to show I'm not making this up, here is a typical hand played by this player. I edited the hand history so bison's would show him as the Hero. (This is NOT me playing!!!)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (16.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets, BB folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, Button 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (19.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc 9c (one pair, jacks).
Button has 6d 6h (full house, sixes full of jacks).
Outcome: Button wins 23.25 BB. 

Anyone got any stories of players that are so bad you feel sorry for them?

Paxosmotic · #2 07-06-2005, 04:21 AM

I know a guy who has never been able to get past break-even at Party's .5/1 tables. I play him in home games occasionally, and he honestly truly beileves he's god's gift to poker. He's not quite an "any two cards can win" person, he's almost a "any two cards I play can win" person. He is routinely one of the first people to bust during our games, yet blames it on cold cards every time. It's a real pleasure every time I get the chance to bust him.

deepsquat · #3 07-06-2005, 04:22 AM

I played a guy at pacific a few months ago, this guys was playing $1/$2 and playing pretty much the same, he took every hand to SD, im not kidding u this guy went from $78 to $340 in about 1hour. He hit every draw, runner runner str8 and flush draw it was unbelievable. At 1 point he won about 7 pots in a row of about 20BB each with crap like J3o

1 hour later he was down to $30 and left the table. You wonder who these guys are, whether they are pros or high limit players working off a bit of tilt or what.

therockofgibraltar · #4 07-06-2005, 05:05 AM

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whether they are pros or high limit players working off a bit of tilt or what.

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Many times they are but you can actually find "real" microplayers that play like that...

Dave G. · #5 07-06-2005, 05:06 AM

I never feel sorry for bad players, bring them on I say. I can buy shiny things because of them.

Some players are maniacs and while they bleed money everywhere, they have to on some level know what they are doing; gamboooling it up. So that in and of itself doesn't make them "bad" in my opinion, because they know that they're probably going to lose all their money.

Now this guy is a bad player. He has no clue at all as to what is going on. I lost this hand, but afterwards I sat there absolutely stunned for a few seconds at villains holding.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, Button calls.

River: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has 9d As (two pair, nines and fours).
Button has Qh Qs (two pair, queens and fours).
Outcome: Button wins 6.50 BB.

Mooski · #6 07-06-2005, 06:25 AM

He thinks you have a 4?

I'm not a great player, I admit it, I'm only playing maybe 6-7 hours per week in the nanos, but I'm wondering why you're chasing with a A9o, especially when the flop misses you and a Tx has you beat.

Dave G. · #7 07-06-2005, 08:06 AM

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He thinks you have a 4?

I'm not a great player, I admit it, I'm only playing maybe 6-7 hours per week in the nanos, but I'm wondering why you're chasing with a A9o, especially when the flop misses you and a Tx has you beat.

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This is a button vs the blinds situation. I raise A9o here because button is trying to limp in with what I think is an awful hand, and my hand figures to be significantly better than it. Regardless of what hand button is playing here, open limping from the button is NEVER correct.

I'm not chasing here at all. I fully expect to be infront before the flop and on the flop. I am betting with what is more than likely the best hand. The board is paired, so the chances that the flop completely missed the other two players is very high, and my ace high is currently best.

This would be different if UTG limped in. I expect UTG to have a significantly stronger limping hand. When the button open limps, though, it shows that he has no idea what he is doing. He is a bad player with a bad hand, and I am giving up value by not exploiting my edge over him with a hand as strong as A9.

Marquis · #8 07-06-2005, 09:31 AM

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Regardless of what hand button is playing here, open limping from the button is NEVER correct.

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Well, let's not get TOO carried away. If the blinds will never fold to a raise, certainly limping is better option in some cases.

Mooski · #9 07-06-2005, 10:12 AM

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This is a button vs the blinds situation. I raise A9o here because button is trying to limp in with what I think is an awful hand

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Fair enough, I'm learning every day I come here.

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I'm not chasing here at all. I fully expect to be infront before the flop and on the flop. I am betting with what is more than likely the best hand. The board is paired, so the chances that the flop completely missed the other two players is very high, and my ace high is currently best.

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I'm missing something. I like having an A in my hand too, but if he's been noted as a bad player, surely a 4-5 in one of the others' hand isn't too far-fetched, nor is a Ten.

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This would be different if UTG limped in. I expect UTG to have a significantly stronger limping hand. When the button open limps, though, it shows that he has no idea what he is doing. He is a bad player with a bad hand, and I am giving up value by not exploiting my edge over him with a hand as strong as A9.

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Could it not be that he has a marginal hand, rather than a bad one? We all know (and I'm one of them) that players learning the game will go into a flop if they think they can get there cheaply.

Again, I'm learning, so open to some feedback.

Dave G. · #10 07-06-2005, 10:27 AM

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I'm missing something. I like having an A in my hand too, but if he's been noted as a bad player, surely a 4-5 in one of the others' hand isn't too far-fetched, nor is a Ten.

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Yes, he could, but most of the time, based on the mathematics of probability, he won't. I don't expect to win this hand every time I play it. Sometimes he will have a 4 or a T and I will lose some money (and sometimes he will have a T and I will suck out on him and win anyway). Most of the time he won't have these cards and he's giving me money. My hand is strong enough that I can say that I expect to beat him more times than he will beat me.

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Could it not be that he has a marginal hand, rather than a bad one?

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Well, I meant this in a relative sense, in that his hand is, most of the time, going to be pretty bad when compared with mine. When you play heads up or short handed, high card strength is king (pun intended [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]). I have an ace, he probably doesn't. If he does, he probably has a worse kicker. So most of the time, I don't have to improve to win; he does (and he will still lose sometimes when he improves as well).