15/30 JTs in a mixed field

ResidentParanoid · #1 06-21-2005, 11:43 AM

Very nice PP 15/30 table. Solid player is UTG, mostly tight and aggressive overall. BadPlayer is just to my right: very fishy, calls way too much, makes many mistakes. SB is to my left, and is fairly loose pre-flop and passive post-flop. BB seems to be weak-tight.

What do you think about my pre-flop cold-call?

What do you think about my raise on the turn after getting 3-bet on the flop?

What do you think about checking behind on the river?

What's your read on SB and UTG? I'll give you mine later and try to justify my actions.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: ResidentParanoid is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 5 folds, BadPlayer calls, ResidentParanoid calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, BadPlayer calls, ResidentParanoid raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, BadPlayer folds, ResidentParanoid calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, ResidentParanoid raises, SB calls, UTG calls.

River: (16 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, ResidentParanoid checks.

Final Pot: 16 BB

Results later.

mab_nyc69 · #2 06-21-2005, 12:20 PM

this hand should have been folded. but if you decide to play, then the raise on the turn also seems like a mistake. check the river as well.

ResidentParanoid · #3 06-21-2005, 12:38 PM

On the pre-flop CC: Getting 3:1 (likely) on my cold-call, sitting on the button ,with a big donator to my right, and two other readable players, I decided to play this one just a shade loose. One of my rare cold calls, but I think it is correct here.

I think I have to continue to charge draws on the turn so I raise again. With UTG so passive, he's waiting for something. With the flush draw now coming for me, I can make an additional bet on the river if I hit, planning to check behind if not, which is what I did.

DpR · #4 06-21-2005, 01:02 PM

I think your line is ok.

YoureToast · #5 06-21-2005, 04:44 PM

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this hand should have been folded. but if you decide to play, then the raise on the turn also seems like a mistake. check the river as well.

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same here....the raise on the turn was the worst part cuz you weren't likely going to get either of the two off a better hand and you needed a spade to win......in this case, getting the free card on the end was less useful since it was extremely unlikely you were ahead.

ResidentParanoid · #6 06-22-2005, 10:28 AM

My turn raise was not trying to get anyone off of any hand. If I was ahead on the turn (unlikely) it gets more money in. If any of my draws hit on the river, (I'm almost certainly ahead then), I get an extra bet in on the river. If I miss, like I did, I check through at the same cost as calling down.

I think the only question is if I call on the turn, should I have called a river bet from SB unimproved? No one has commented on that so far.

dbecham · #7 06-21-2005, 01:20 PM

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SB is to my left, and is fairly loose pre-flop and passive post-flop. BB seems to be weak-tight.

SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, BadPlayer calls, ResidentParanoid raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, BadPlayer folds, ResidentParanoid calls.

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you just got check/reraised by a passive player post flop who 3 people left to complete the action. I think you are most likely dominated and would have no problem folding.

highlife · #8 06-21-2005, 01:27 PM

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SB is to my left, and is fairly loose pre-flop and passive post-flop. BB seems to be weak-tight.

SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, BadPlayer calls, ResidentParanoid raises, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, BadPlayer folds, ResidentParanoid calls.

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you just got check/reraised by a passive player post flop who 3 people left to complete the action. I think you are most likely dominated and would have no problem folding.

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I agree, you are often looking at a set here, or top two pair.

ResidentParanoid · #9 06-21-2005, 01:28 PM

I am almost certain I am behind the SB after he check-3-bets the flop. Coming back to me on the flop, I'm getting 19:1 to close the action and see the turn. Normally I'd call in this situation, plus backdoor straight and flush options have me calling easily, with plans to fold on the turn if nothing good happens.

There's no way I can fold the flop with those odds in that situation.

bpb · #10 06-21-2005, 01:34 PM

I don't like the turn raise.

SB is likely ahead of you here. He's a passive player who check-3bet the flop and led the turn. He has at worst top pair, and most of those outkick you.

If you knew SB and UTG would call and check to you on the river, your play would be fine. But if the SB has a biggie and 3-bets, you could lose UTG. I don't think UTG is a real threat here ... I'd rather keep him around to pay off on the river with his AJ or scared QQ or whatever.