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Old 05-07-2005, 04:03 AM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
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Default Do you make this call here?

#Game No : 2011745982
***** Hand History for Game 2011745982 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:11989202 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Saturday, May 07, 03:57:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 11213 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 2: rrooyy111 ( $1030 )
Seat 3: xbonggoox ( $1765 )
Seat 5: TitoTheDog ( $855 )
Seat 7: bigben00 ( $1290 )
Seat 8: BLT_jp ( $760 )
Seat 9: erb4321 ( $745 )
Seat 10: Rybuk ( $1150 )
Seat 1: wildwhits ( $405 )
Trny:11989202 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to erb4321 [ Kd Ad ]
rrooyy111 folds.
xbonggoox raises [90].
TitoTheDog folds.
bigben00 folds.
BLT_jp folds.
>You have options at Table 11030 Table!.
erb4321 calls [90].
Rybuk folds.
wildwhits is all-In [375]
>You have options at Table 35061 Table!.
xbonggoox raises [710].
erb4321 is all-In [655]
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Old 05-07-2005, 05:23 AM
imcastleman imcastleman is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

There's almost no value in making this call. With 2 people in already theres no point in you risking your chips here, the tournament hasn't even started yet, why risk losing it??
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Old 05-07-2005, 08:38 AM
pergesu pergesu is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

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There's almost no value in making this call. With 2 people in already theres no point in you risking your chips here, the tournament hasn't even started yet, why risk losing it??

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It's way better to bust out 10th than it is to bust out 4th. You don't waste any time, and you're able to fire up a new one really quickly.

Survival is a great trait in MTTs, but it just isn't nearly as important in SNGs.

Here you've got a chance to triple up which will set you up nicely for level 5 (thanks to PVS for that concept). You can lay down if you think these players are making these moves with big pairs only. But with the crap you see at low-level SNGs (favorite hand today was T8o pushes UTG, gets called by AQ, AJ, and K9), I think it's good to call here. When you win, you've got a damn good shot at making the money. When you lose, you start up another one without wasting any time.
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Old 05-07-2005, 09:09 AM
lorinda lorinda is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

Survival is a great trait in MTTs, but it just isn't nearly as important in SNGs.

You can't get dealt aces if you're already out.
Lorinda 3:17

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Old 05-07-2005, 09:14 AM
pergesu pergesu is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

10th place pays the same as 4th
pergesu 4:20
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Old 05-07-2005, 09:16 AM
lorinda lorinda is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

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Old 05-07-2005, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

If you make this play every SnG for the rest of your life your ITM is capped at ~33%.

Brad 5:18
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Old 05-07-2005, 11:27 AM
imcastleman imcastleman is offline
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Default Re: Do you make this call here?

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This person who defends making this call has well thought out reasons for making it, however, you can NOT win the tournament if you lose now. In my experience, doubling up does not increase your chances a great deal of getting in the money. I would fold this AK 100% of the time here. You would be gambling by calling and are likely 35-45% to beat both opponents, possibly less if one has AK also and the other has a pair. My opinion is to fold.
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