Advice for draw poker online?

popniklas · #1 02-17-2005, 08:05 AM

Hi!

Draw poker means fun and nostalgia, at least to me. So I have a few questions about draw poker online for those who have played it:

1. Where can you find the best high draw action? (Paradise?)

2. Do the games usually feature a joker? a jacks-or-better-to-open-rule?

3. How good/bad do people play? Are the games profitable if you are a decent but not great high draw player?

4. Any book recommendations for high draw? I'm considering buying Malmuth's "Winning concepts for Draw and Lowball"

Thankful for anwers. Feel free to share your knowledge on lowball as well. (I have never played lowball, but am planning to learn.)

Chris Daddy Cool · #2 02-17-2005, 08:25 AM

paradise and 24h are the only places that i know that feature high only poker.

i've played a bit on the paradise draw games. since i suck at draw i have no real idea if the games are that good or not.

no, the games dont' feature a joker. and no, there is no jacks-or-better rule.

BluffTHIS! · #3 02-17-2005, 08:36 AM

1) Although I have only played there occasionally and don't really like the site due to small player base, 24h does have the biggest limits high draw available. Please note that regardless of the blind level, these are POT-LIMIT games played 6-max.

2)No joker and guts to open on 24h -don't know about paradise.

3)24h games are filled with the very good and tricky and the very bad. So they are profitable but you can't be out of position with a good player without a very good hand to win.

4) This is one of the few 2+2 books I don't have. If you can find an out-of-print copy, An Encyclopedia of Draw Poker by James Anno is the best I've ever seen. Please note that this and other books don't give as much pot-limit advice as for limit, and that in the 6-max format on 24h it is rarely correct to open/limp under the gun and false-carding is a critical skill.

beset7 · #4 03-10-2005, 07:48 PM

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4) This is one of the few 2+2 books I don't have. If you can find an out-of-print copy, An Encyclopedia of Draw Poker by James Anno is the best I've ever seen. Please note that this and other books don't give as much pot-limit advice as for limit, and that in the 6-max format on 24h it is rarely correct to open/limp under the gun and false-carding is a critical skill.

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I found a copy of this via an online used book seller. It lists the publisher, however, as "An Exposition Banner Book." Is this an error or is it a different book? I've never seen this on any list of 2+2 books. Thanks!

Beach-Whale · #5 03-11-2005, 01:10 AM

The 2+2 book he's referring to is "Winning concepts for Draw and Lowball." See the post he was replying to.

beset7 · #6 03-11-2005, 07:11 PM

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The 2+2 book he's referring to is "Winning concepts for Draw and Lowball." See the post he was replying to.

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Ahhh. I understand now. My apologies.

hackle · #7 02-17-2005, 09:13 AM

I've only played at Paradise, but it usually has a good selection of $1-$2 games. Since you mention nostalgia and fun, this might be just what you are looking for. The $5-$10 games there are often a little rough. I've found the $1-$2 games to be quite profitable, however. The play is mixed, but there are quite a few fish.

One reason for this is that there aren't many in-print books on draw poker anymore. The SS1 Caro section is good, Norman Zadeh's _Winning Poker Systems_ is as well. Mason's book covers Gardena Draw, which is not played at Paradise, but it contains excellent information to get you thinking like an expert draw player. Another great book (and in my opinion the most comprehensive book available on Lowball) is _Free Money_ by Michael Wiesenberg. It, along with the Zadeh book, are available at Gamblers Book Shop (http://www.gamblersbook.com)

However, you don't need to buy any of these to be successful at Paradise draw. Michael Wiesenberg has published a series of columns in Cardplayer that outline a complete strategy specifically for the Paradise game structure. Start with:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...13&m_id=69

And check out the rest at:

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...ael_Wiesenberg

Hope this helps,

Hackle

popniklas · #8 02-17-2005, 10:40 AM

thanks a lot for the feedback everyone.

yes, since i'm no good at draw poker and only played it in casual homegames i'm only looking for soft lowlimit games. mostly for fun, but of course i wouldn't mind winning some money.

so mason's book covers ONLY gardena draw? does it contain some advice about any adjustmens for other rules or something like that? hm.. anyone read mike caro's "advanced strategies for draw poker"? got a 10 out of 10 by mason in the book review section of gambling theory and other topics.

thanks for the wiesenberg links, btw, i'll surely check them out.

oh and by the way, speaking of paradise poker, do they still have the "granny" bonus and what is the max amount of that bonus?

hackle · #9 02-17-2005, 05:08 PM

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hm.. anyone read mike caro's "advanced strategies for draw poker"? got a 10 out of 10 by mason in the book review section of gambling theory and other topics.

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No, it's out of print, and I can tell you from experience that it's impossible to get.

It's too bad - in the intro to _Winning Concepts in Draw and Lowball_, Mason recommends memorizing this book.

Hackle

lighterjobs · #10 02-17-2005, 10:50 AM

planet poker also has hi draw games.