Why you see so much sucking out online

1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games.


Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories. As a programmer myself, I know that most programmers are lazy and it would be much more difficult to write software that cheats than software that deals the cards randomly. Not to mention, an online site would be shooting itself in the foot.


I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, that online poker is a virtual goldmine for a decent player. Hey, "Virtual Goldmine", that's not a bad name for an online casino! [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]

I play mostly at Party Poker, Pokerroom, and poker.com. I've also played a little at Paradise, UltimateBet, and Planet Poker, although I find those places a tad tougher than the first three, so I don't put in as many hours there.


I've played a total of about 80 hours online, which is equivalent to about 200 hours of live play in terms of number of hands. Enough to know that the games are plenty beatable and above-board. Is there some collusion going on? Probably can't be totally eliminated. But the recent posts that suggests cards are not randomly dealt are ludicrous.


P.S. I have no connection to any of these sites, other than that I play there. So I think I'm just about as objective as anyone can be.

I agree with you, Tim. I would even like to add that there is even an art to "sucking out." I have had momments where good pot munipulation and using raises to get a free card can really look like you got lucky. Usually it is some other player doing it to me [img]/images/smile.gif[/img] .

"1. There are lots of bad players online.


2. Online games play extremely fast compared to live games."


Finally some fresh ideas on this topic.


"Put away your conspiracy theories and your non-random deck theories."


If you say so I guess I will. Sure, I don't know who you are or what you're basing this on; but you said you're a programmer and the internet poker involves computers so you must know what you're talking about.


"I know from my own experience and from that of another aquaintance, "


Ahhh, there's that proof I was looking for. You've done well, and so has some guy. Subject closed.

if that amount of research and that stunning a display of logic doesn't convince you, then what will? [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]

Still laughing.

I felt that the obvious had to be pointed out, given that there are so many posts of the ilk:


"I just got my AA cracked by someone who called all my raises and then hit their gutshot on the river. [Substitute name of online site] must be fixed!".


I was merely pointing out (obvious to many, I'll admit) that you see this a lot online because there are lots of hand per hour and lots of bad players. If the alleged fixing of cards to favor the fish was prevalent, it would be almost impossible for a good player to succeed online, yet the "some guy" that I know is a professional player of 10 years who has made a small fortune online within the past year.

here's the thing, nobody is saying that there aren't more games per hour online and we all know there are a lot of crappy players online. And I'm not suggesting that there aren't good players making money online, after all I'm the greatest and I'm making money online(incidently I've played against you many times at party and I believe you're beating the game). However, those two truths aren't enough to allow me to say with certainty that everything's kosher. There are a lot of things about online poker that concern me. When someone starts there own thread regurgitating stuff I've heard a million times it feels more like propaganda than discussion. Seems like 98% of the people on this forum either believe internet poker is clean as the falling snow and defend it as if it were there first born; or they scream about a bad hand which proves to them that terrorists, drug-lords, and telemarketers are behind IntPok in a massive plot to steal their $67. There are certainly exceptions(Doug gets a laugh out of me know and then), but I am here as an advocate of open-mindedness, moderation, and sarcastic rebuttal. Because someone is suspicious of an online, central-american gambling organization does not automatically mean they're crappy card players; and because you lost with AA to J4o does not automatically mean you were cheated. Wonder if anyone read all the way to this point.

You mentioned "central-american" in your post as if being "central-american" was derogatory.


Anyways, the point I'm making is that the public does not trust "central-american" countries as much as the US. I'm praying for the day Las Vegas casinos are allowed to open online poker rooms! [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]


Then the fish will be allowed to buyin with their visa cards, and hopefully we'll see easier games than the tough games currently on the net!


- Tony